Time to move the Tuono on?
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This morning might have just been the final nail in the coffin for my Tuono.
Since taking delivery of it in late March 2022 it’s been back to the dealers a minimum of 6 or 7 times with various faults, some of those visits for a repeat fault.
Faulty LH switch gear.
QS coming loose and damaging the frame slightly.
MAP sensor failure (multiple visits to diagnose and rectify)
Fuel sensor failure.
And 1 other thing that escapes my mind right now?
And then finally this morning, after being parked up in the garage for less than a week the battery is completely flat. Unless it’s not the battery and I’ve had a total electrics meltdown.
I’ve lost the vast part of this summers riding season due to the bike being in and out of the garage, I’ve probably done less than 2k miles on it, and most of them miles have been done on the 80 mile round trip to the dealers.
So …
As much as I absolutely love Tuono V4’s, I have fallen out of love with this particular bike and it’s got to go.
What to replace it with though? That’s my big dilemma.
I’m going to have a word with the dealer this weekend and see what my options are. If I can step off this bike and on to another Tuono V4 without any financial impact to me then I will likely do that.
They are also a KTM dealer though and have some great deals on Superduke R’s and Evo’s at the minute. If I can get a decent test ride on one of them and I like the bike and can step off mine on to one of them with no impact financially then I’ll consider that.
Only other bike that floats my boat at this moment in time is the V4 Streetfighter, but that’s an entirely separate conversation al together.
Since taking delivery of it in late March 2022 it’s been back to the dealers a minimum of 6 or 7 times with various faults, some of those visits for a repeat fault.
Faulty LH switch gear.
QS coming loose and damaging the frame slightly.
MAP sensor failure (multiple visits to diagnose and rectify)
Fuel sensor failure.
And 1 other thing that escapes my mind right now?
And then finally this morning, after being parked up in the garage for less than a week the battery is completely flat. Unless it’s not the battery and I’ve had a total electrics meltdown.
I’ve lost the vast part of this summers riding season due to the bike being in and out of the garage, I’ve probably done less than 2k miles on it, and most of them miles have been done on the 80 mile round trip to the dealers.
So …
As much as I absolutely love Tuono V4’s, I have fallen out of love with this particular bike and it’s got to go.
What to replace it with though? That’s my big dilemma.
I’m going to have a word with the dealer this weekend and see what my options are. If I can step off this bike and on to another Tuono V4 without any financial impact to me then I will likely do that.
They are also a KTM dealer though and have some great deals on Superduke R’s and Evo’s at the minute. If I can get a decent test ride on one of them and I like the bike and can step off mine on to one of them with no impact financially then I’ll consider that.
Only other bike that floats my boat at this moment in time is the V4 Streetfighter, but that’s an entirely separate conversation al together.
Sounds like you've been really unlucky, I know from the other threads that the other guys with Tuonos on here have found them pretty good overall. (I know this isn't much comfort!)
Unless you've had enough of the whole thing I'd be tempted to press the dealer to let you swap onto another.
Unless you've had enough of the whole thing I'd be tempted to press the dealer to let you swap onto another.
Krikkit said:
Sounds like you've been really unlucky, I know from the other threads that the other guys with Tuonos on here have found them pretty good overall. (I know this isn't much comfort!)
Unless you've had enough of the whole thing I'd be tempted to press the dealer to let you swap onto another.
I think I have been unlucky with this particular bike, I know there isn’t a fundamental problem with model as a whole.Unless you've had enough of the whole thing I'd be tempted to press the dealer to let you swap onto another.
To be fair, each issue taken in isolation isn’t really that big of a thing at all. But each small issue added on top of the other small issues has left me with little confidence in this particular bike.
I have a good relationship with the dealer, and the owner in particular so hopefully we will be able to work something out when I speak to them.
airsafari87 said:
To be fair, each issue taken in isolation isn’t really that big of a thing at all. But each small issue added on top of the other small issues has left me with little confidence in this particular bike.
That's crucial isn't it - after a litany of issues, especially ones that are a faff to sort, you just end up with no trust in it, which makes it a ballache.
Hopefully see if they can do a decent deal on that SDR
My 21 E5 has been the least reliable of my 3 Tuono 1100s. Nothing serious but silly things. Everything done under warranty. I think a few other bits but cant remember now so
My 2016 E3 return gear shift spring failed - easy fix, front discs warped at 4k
My 2019 E4 QS came loose and scuffed frame, QS failed a year in, electronics occ. had a hissy fit mid ride for 10 secs & L/H switchgear failed, front discs warped at 3k. Calipers on front poss from PDI binding on discs. This was done at about 1500 miles under warranty
MY 2021 E5 fuel light failed 18 months in, fork scuffed from fender (not bothered sorting this), grips cracked on edges within a year under warranty.
All have leaked from cylinder eye with the 21 being the worse. All done under warranty
All have had something not tightened well from factory and required re-tightening/loctite. My 19 and 21 both had dash fixings come loose making the whole front end wobble. All have had the allen screws on the tail piece/seat come loose
With all that being said as a road bike that does everything I want as a great all rounder I cant find a better replacement yet so it annoys me but I get it fixed and knowing the bikes well now fix or prevent before it becomes a problem
I have a couple mates who ride SDR's. They are brutal engines, tall geared (you'll see what I mean in 6th trying to ride sub 60mph). Gearbox is a bit tractor like and you need the packs v.important otherwise it switches certain things back on each ride or aren't activated. Loads of punch low down and a nice road bike if a little skittish on the front vs Tuono
SF faster higher up the revs, great handling, great build (Its better than the Tuono), flatter off the bottom to mid and needs working hard. Sounds strange but felt a bit meh getting off this vs the SDR or Tuono. Try one
MT10 best of the Jap stuff but its a mellow version of the Tuono. You will get reliability though of Japanese quality
My 21 E5 has been the least reliable of my 3 Tuono 1100s. Nothing serious but silly things. Everything done under warranty. I think a few other bits but cant remember now so
My 2016 E3 return gear shift spring failed - easy fix, front discs warped at 4k
My 2019 E4 QS came loose and scuffed frame, QS failed a year in, electronics occ. had a hissy fit mid ride for 10 secs & L/H switchgear failed, front discs warped at 3k. Calipers on front poss from PDI binding on discs. This was done at about 1500 miles under warranty
MY 2021 E5 fuel light failed 18 months in, fork scuffed from fender (not bothered sorting this), grips cracked on edges within a year under warranty.
All have leaked from cylinder eye with the 21 being the worse. All done under warranty
All have had something not tightened well from factory and required re-tightening/loctite. My 19 and 21 both had dash fixings come loose making the whole front end wobble. All have had the allen screws on the tail piece/seat come loose
With all that being said as a road bike that does everything I want as a great all rounder I cant find a better replacement yet so it annoys me but I get it fixed and knowing the bikes well now fix or prevent before it becomes a problem
I have a couple mates who ride SDR's. They are brutal engines, tall geared (you'll see what I mean in 6th trying to ride sub 60mph). Gearbox is a bit tractor like and you need the packs v.important otherwise it switches certain things back on each ride or aren't activated. Loads of punch low down and a nice road bike if a little skittish on the front vs Tuono
SF faster higher up the revs, great handling, great build (Its better than the Tuono), flatter off the bottom to mid and needs working hard. Sounds strange but felt a bit meh getting off this vs the SDR or Tuono. Try one
MT10 best of the Jap stuff but its a mellow version of the Tuono. You will get reliability though of Japanese quality
Good post. Thanks.
This bit is pretty much where I’m at and is the decision I ultimately need to make.
I’m going to phone the salesman back at lunchtime today and see what he has to say.
Ultimately though it’s either going to be :-
Keep the current bike and hope there’s no more problems.
Chop it in for a brand new Tuono.
Chop it in for a SDR.
MT10’s etc … don’t interest me.
This bit is pretty much where I’m at and is the decision I ultimately need to make.
Birky_41 said:
With all that being said as a road bike that does everything I want as a great all rounder I cant find a better replacement yet so it annoys me but I get it fixed and knowing the bikes well now fix or prevent before it becomes a problem
You also reminded my what the other problem was that I couldn’t remember earlier. My bolts came out of the clock holder in the headstock as well.I’m going to phone the salesman back at lunchtime today and see what he has to say.
Ultimately though it’s either going to be :-
Keep the current bike and hope there’s no more problems.
Chop it in for a brand new Tuono.
Chop it in for a SDR.
MT10’s etc … don’t interest me.
Could be worse, you could have a Superduke... oh wait....
My mates brand new Evo has been back to the dealers most of this year changing various things, ECU fries itself every few weeks as well as electronic suspension failures for fun..
Their new idea is that it need a brand new, complete wiring loom... and they expect him to pay towards it so that the dealer isn't "out of pocket" on the time cost..
KTM are a bunch of absolute chancers.
My mates brand new Evo has been back to the dealers most of this year changing various things, ECU fries itself every few weeks as well as electronic suspension failures for fun..
Their new idea is that it need a brand new, complete wiring loom... and they expect him to pay towards it so that the dealer isn't "out of pocket" on the time cost..
KTM are a bunch of absolute chancers.
Interesting thread for me.
I was in the market this time last year for either a new Tuono or the SDR Evo.
I went with the SDR because of good dealer support nearby, better than Aprilia, and a keen deal.
Touching wood I've had zero issues and really like the bike. The suspension could do with a plusher ride at the comfort end given its electronic but its not bad.
When you test ride try it with 60% or 70% preload and comfort damping. Thats the handling sweet spot for me. If you are on mixed roads the auto high on preload and auto on damping is nice.
Regarding the battery, lithium can go to sleep and be revived. Have a google as its a bit of a rabbit hole with potentially freezing the battery and other things.
I was in the market this time last year for either a new Tuono or the SDR Evo.
I went with the SDR because of good dealer support nearby, better than Aprilia, and a keen deal.
Touching wood I've had zero issues and really like the bike. The suspension could do with a plusher ride at the comfort end given its electronic but its not bad.
When you test ride try it with 60% or 70% preload and comfort damping. Thats the handling sweet spot for me. If you are on mixed roads the auto high on preload and auto on damping is nice.
Regarding the battery, lithium can go to sleep and be revived. Have a google as its a bit of a rabbit hole with potentially freezing the battery and other things.
the cueball said:
Their new idea is that it need a brand new, complete wiring loom... and they expect him to pay towards it so that the dealer isn't "out of pocket" on the time cost..
KTM are a bunch of absolute chancers.
Sounds like the dealer is the chancer tbh, unless I've misunderstood something?KTM are a bunch of absolute chancers.
Birky_41 said:
I have a couple mates who ride SDR's. They are brutal engines, tall geared (you'll see what I mean in 6th trying to ride sub 60mph). Gearbox is a bit tractor like
6th is tall for sure - I don't ride motorways and pretty much never use 6th. Its just about OK in 6th at 75 so no point really. I find the box itself fine. Its a five minute job to put it in race shift. Makes a lot of sense to press down when accelerating on a bike with that much torque. That said I've put a Racetorx gearshift stabiliser on mine as the QS wasn't always on point. I think there is some throttle position mapping in the QS too as there is sometimes a weird shift delay which feels more like the ecu opening the throttle slowly after a shift at wide throttle openings than a delay in swapping cogs.I've found the KTM a lot better put together than a newish Triumph I had.
trickywoo said:
Interesting thread for me.
I was in the market this time last year for either a new Tuono or the SDR Evo.
I went with the SDR because of good dealer support nearby, better than Aprilia, and a keen deal.
Touching wood I've had zero issues and really like the bike. The suspension could do with a plusher ride at the comfort end given its electronic but its not bad.
When you test ride try it with 60% or 70% preload and comfort damping. Thats the handling sweet spot for me. If you are on mixed roads the auto high on preload and auto on damping is nice.
Regarding the battery, lithium can go to sleep and be revived. Have a google as its a bit of a rabbit hole with potentially freezing the battery and other things.
Thanks for that.I was in the market this time last year for either a new Tuono or the SDR Evo.
I went with the SDR because of good dealer support nearby, better than Aprilia, and a keen deal.
Touching wood I've had zero issues and really like the bike. The suspension could do with a plusher ride at the comfort end given its electronic but its not bad.
When you test ride try it with 60% or 70% preload and comfort damping. Thats the handling sweet spot for me. If you are on mixed roads the auto high on preload and auto on damping is nice.
Regarding the battery, lithium can go to sleep and be revived. Have a google as its a bit of a rabbit hole with potentially freezing the battery and other things.
To be honest, I take the ‘My mate had one of these and it caught fire 3 times a day, every day’ posts with a pinch of salt.
For every 1 person who has a bike with problems, there is a hundred other people who have the same bike with zero problems, regardless of wether it’s an Aprilia, KTM, Honda, BMW or whichever manufacturer.
The dealer I use is a cracking dealer and I have a good relationship with them, he’s also an Aprilia and KTM dealer, although a KTM dealer predominantly. I will get the same level of support from them whichever bike I end up on next.
snagzie said:
Sounds like the dealer is the chancer tbh, unless I've misunderstood something?
Both the dealer and KTM..in my view anyway...Other mate had a Super Adventure and his electronic suspension kept failing too.. they tried to palm him off as well..
he is slightly more unhinged than mate #1 so when he rode the bike into their dealership and refused to move, they started to play ball.
So from a personal point of view - 2 mates both with KTM failures and both times KTM and the dealerships tried to con them.
and with the new SD engine being made in China for 2024.. not sure their reliability is going to improve much.
I'm a bit wary now of bikes with tons of electronics, especially if I want to keep it for a long time.
I was watching Big Rock Moto, and the issues he's had with the KTM 890 ADV are ridiculous for a brand new bike. No indicators, menus resetting, won't cold start etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-Xp72ekEc
I was watching Big Rock Moto, and the issues he's had with the KTM 890 ADV are ridiculous for a brand new bike. No indicators, menus resetting, won't cold start etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-Xp72ekEc
Bob_Defly said:
I'm a bit wary now of bikes with tons of electronics, especially if I want to keep it for a long time.
I understand what you are saying but cars have had loads more electronics for years and they don't get scrapped because of it, its always something else - more than likely mechanical.if you look at the electronics on bikes (outside of the standard EFI which is decades old and not going away) its a couple of control units and two wheel speed sensors.
The PC or tablet you are accessing PH on probably has more foibles.
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