Hackney - Crazy Bike Parking Charges - Public Consultation
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Hackney council is running a final consultation on its ridiculous and totally unjustified bike parking charge proposals:
https://consultation.hackney.gov.uk/parking-market...
GIven pressure from bikers, they have dropped the total ban on all day commuter parking, and reduced the charges from their initial £60 per day. But are now proposing:
- £10 for all day commuter parking in solo motorcycle bays. Currently these are only found around Old Street (southern Hackney near the City) so commuter parking is still banned in the rest of the borough
- Charging motorcycles and scooters the same as cars for residents and business parking permits - Residents permits up to £596 a year and business permits up to £1560, rising to £843 and £1800 by 2027
- Residents of ‘car-free’ developments will now be banned from parking a motorcycle.
To respond to the consultation, please email here:
streetscene.consultations@hackney.gov.uk
The consultation closes on Friday 04 August 2023.
This is not a normal consultation - Hackney must address each respondent individually.
it would be great for responders to give alternative options and reasons for them to consider in each response.
It would also send a strong message to Hackney other councils thinking about the same thing - with absolutely no consideration for the benefits of biking - no congestion and on average, significantly lower engine and PM10 emissions than cars.
Suggestions incliude:
No charges for motorcycles and scooters to encourage car drivers to downsize.
Follow the Westminster (£1 / day parking cost and £3.50 / week / £100/yr for on street parking bays) model with far lower charges for motorcycles than other modes (note that this is for parking in street bays, not resident permits)
Expansion of bike parking bays across the borough to support this - and to simply align with other boroughs
Account for factors such as space and congestion in any charges (which should strongly favour motorcycles / PTW's)
No price differential between motorcycles and cars for residents and business passes means that there is no incentive to down size to a motorcycle, this will entrench car usage in Hackney and increase emissions due to increased congestion.
The price of the daily parking for commuting is unaffordable under these proposals, taking into account the average running costs of a motorcycle the charges will nearly triple the cost of commuting by motorcycle.
It is not reasonable to charge electric motorcycles the same amount as electric cars as they have vastly lower emissions impacts and energy use.
Any support much appreciated!
https://consultation.hackney.gov.uk/parking-market...
GIven pressure from bikers, they have dropped the total ban on all day commuter parking, and reduced the charges from their initial £60 per day. But are now proposing:
- £10 for all day commuter parking in solo motorcycle bays. Currently these are only found around Old Street (southern Hackney near the City) so commuter parking is still banned in the rest of the borough
- Charging motorcycles and scooters the same as cars for residents and business parking permits - Residents permits up to £596 a year and business permits up to £1560, rising to £843 and £1800 by 2027
- Residents of ‘car-free’ developments will now be banned from parking a motorcycle.
To respond to the consultation, please email here:
streetscene.consultations@hackney.gov.uk
The consultation closes on Friday 04 August 2023.
This is not a normal consultation - Hackney must address each respondent individually.
it would be great for responders to give alternative options and reasons for them to consider in each response.
It would also send a strong message to Hackney other councils thinking about the same thing - with absolutely no consideration for the benefits of biking - no congestion and on average, significantly lower engine and PM10 emissions than cars.
Suggestions incliude:
No charges for motorcycles and scooters to encourage car drivers to downsize.
Follow the Westminster (£1 / day parking cost and £3.50 / week / £100/yr for on street parking bays) model with far lower charges for motorcycles than other modes (note that this is for parking in street bays, not resident permits)
Expansion of bike parking bays across the borough to support this - and to simply align with other boroughs
Account for factors such as space and congestion in any charges (which should strongly favour motorcycles / PTW's)
No price differential between motorcycles and cars for residents and business passes means that there is no incentive to down size to a motorcycle, this will entrench car usage in Hackney and increase emissions due to increased congestion.
The price of the daily parking for commuting is unaffordable under these proposals, taking into account the average running costs of a motorcycle the charges will nearly triple the cost of commuting by motorcycle.
It is not reasonable to charge electric motorcycles the same amount as electric cars as they have vastly lower emissions impacts and energy use.
Any support much appreciated!
Semperagressus said:
I couldn’t care less, if you fools in London cannot vote a lunatic mayor out that is using you all as a cash cow, well hell mend you.
It's like reading stories about life on a different planet despite it being 1hr40 away. I assume if a bike is stationary for long enough in London to require a parking ticket it'll have been nicked anyway.
k me I'm glad I don't live in the smoke!!!!I'm again saddened by the number of self centred replies without any apparent consideration for the bigger picture.
Local councils are, in general, a pretty uninventive bunch who are more than happy to use approaches based on "successful" implementations elsewhere. If this goes ahead and results in more money coming into the council than it costs then you can bet your pension your local council will take some level of interest.
It may not be happening locally to you YET, but that doesn't mean it won't!
Local councils are, in general, a pretty uninventive bunch who are more than happy to use approaches based on "successful" implementations elsewhere. If this goes ahead and results in more money coming into the council than it costs then you can bet your pension your local council will take some level of interest.
It may not be happening locally to you YET, but that doesn't mean it won't!
black-k1 said:
I'm again saddened by the number of self centred replies without any apparent consideration for the bigger picture.
Local councils are, in general, a pretty uninventive bunch who are more than happy to use approaches based on "successful" implementations elsewhere. If this goes ahead and results in more money coming into the council than it costs then you can bet your pension your local council will take some level of interest.
It may not be happening locally to you YET, but that doesn't mean it won't!
Yep we're frogs on the boil!Local councils are, in general, a pretty uninventive bunch who are more than happy to use approaches based on "successful" implementations elsewhere. If this goes ahead and results in more money coming into the council than it costs then you can bet your pension your local council will take some level of interest.
It may not be happening locally to you YET, but that doesn't mean it won't!
My local council took a vote for a CPZ in my area, failed to get the support as parking hasn't been much of an issue. They have now extended all of the double yellow lines by a few spaces...
Bryanwww said:
black-k1 said:
I'm again saddened by the number of self centred replies without any apparent consideration for the bigger picture.
Local councils are, in general, a pretty uninventive bunch who are more than happy to use approaches based on "successful" implementations elsewhere. If this goes ahead and results in more money coming into the council than it costs then you can bet your pension your local council will take some level of interest.
It may not be happening locally to you YET, but that doesn't mean it won't!
Yep we're frogs on the boil!Local councils are, in general, a pretty uninventive bunch who are more than happy to use approaches based on "successful" implementations elsewhere. If this goes ahead and results in more money coming into the council than it costs then you can bet your pension your local council will take some level of interest.
It may not be happening locally to you YET, but that doesn't mean it won't!
black-k1 said:
I'm again saddened by the number of self centred replies without any apparent consideration for the bigger picture.
Local councils are, in general, a pretty uninventive bunch who are more than happy to use approaches based on "successful" implementations elsewhere. If this goes ahead and results in more money coming into the council than it costs then you can bet your pension your local council will take some level of interest.
It may not be happening locally to you YET, but that doesn't mean it won't!
Agreed - I always fight any anti-car or anti-bike legislationLocal councils are, in general, a pretty uninventive bunch who are more than happy to use approaches based on "successful" implementations elsewhere. If this goes ahead and results in more money coming into the council than it costs then you can bet your pension your local council will take some level of interest.
It may not be happening locally to you YET, but that doesn't mean it won't!
If we all stand together then they start worrying about votes
Hackney started this some years ago when I was still commuting. They started taking away big swathers of m/c parking bays as well. Senseless to me, I have no idea how they even start to thin this is a good idea.
Westminster council charge £1 a day; saying that I've no idea how they fund it at that rate. it must cost more to run than it generates, although nobody is going to quibble at £1, other than the fact that I regularly forgot to pay it when it first came in. I wonder how many bikes park in Westminster on any given day? 1500? £1500 a day isn't going to maker a dent in any budget forecast.
But no, the Hackney proposal is bonkers.
Westminster council charge £1 a day; saying that I've no idea how they fund it at that rate. it must cost more to run than it generates, although nobody is going to quibble at £1, other than the fact that I regularly forgot to pay it when it first came in. I wonder how many bikes park in Westminster on any given day? 1500? £1500 a day isn't going to maker a dent in any budget forecast.
But no, the Hackney proposal is bonkers.
Hi All - yes it is a mad scheme that unfairly penalises bikers by treating them like cars - by a council that is already very anti car!
If it bothers you, the best thing you can do is support bikers / bikers in London in general (councils follow each other) by opposing the scheme.
As per the top message, longer emails great, but a simple objection also is a voice.
All support much appreciated.
Save London motorcycling one step at a time.
If it bothers you, the best thing you can do is support bikers / bikers in London in general (councils follow each other) by opposing the scheme.
As per the top message, longer emails great, but a simple objection also is a voice.
All support much appreciated.
Save London motorcycling one step at a time.
Edited by five50 on Sunday 30th July 22:25
Bryanwww said:
Yep we're frogs on the boil!
My local council took a vote for a CPZ in my area, failed to get the support as parking hasn't been much of an issue. They have now extended all of the double yellow lines by a few spaces...
I'm not surprised. It's one thing for a parking transgression to give a small fine of 30 quid, quite another to make straying into the wrong box effectively carte blanche for Matilda, Shunt and Sergeant Bash to have at you for 20 seconds.My local council took a vote for a CPZ in my area, failed to get the support as parking hasn't been much of an issue. They have now extended all of the double yellow lines by a few spaces...
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