Careful with your front brake...
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black-k1 said:
You can only assume he "woke up" to the fact he was closing the gap to the bike in front and simply grabbed a fistful. Do those Ducatis not have ABS? Had it been switched off?
If the video is accurate that it was a 2022 bike (looks like a V2 Panigale) they have the 6-axis IMU and fancy ABS, but only in the right mode - I bet he had it in Race or another low-assistance mode.Krikkit said:
black-k1 said:
You can only assume he "woke up" to the fact he was closing the gap to the bike in front and simply grabbed a fistful. Do those Ducatis not have ABS? Had it been switched off?
If the video is accurate that it was a 2022 bike (looks like a V2 Panigale) they have the 6-axis IMU and fancy ABS, but only in the right mode - I bet he had it in Race or another low-assistance mode.
Krikkit said:
black-k1 said:
You can only assume he "woke up" to the fact he was closing the gap to the bike in front and simply grabbed a fistful. Do those Ducatis not have ABS? Had it been switched off?
If the video is accurate that it was a 2022 bike (looks like a V2 Panigale) they have the 6-axis IMU and fancy ABS, but only in the right mode - I bet he had it in Race or another low-assistance mode.
catso said:
Would ABS help in this instance though? because I don't think the wheel locked up, if it had surely he would have skidded rather than flipped over the front?
Genuinely unsure, will depend on how clever the system is and how quickly the system will respond. I'd expect that as a minimum if it's monitoring front and back wheel speeds and with a closed throttle the rear wheel speed will fall off rapidly as it leaves the ground. Which if there is no rear brake applied should make the system "aware" that it's in the air...but would it then cut the front brake and equally would there already be enough inertia of the bike lifting to already be too late?If it's more clever with accelerometers etc then surely it should know that it's started to flip and cut the brake, presumably if it was that clever though it must have been disabled ("because race mode" or similar).
Having jumped on a bike with great brakes after one with s
t ones and grabbing the "normal" amount of brake which was actually way too much I can kind of see how this would progress but he must have absolutely full insti-grabbed that lever to flip like that. Fastdruid said:
Having jumped on a bike with great brakes after one with st ones and grabbing the "normal" amount of brake which was actually way too much I can kind of see how this would progress but he must have absolutely full insti-grabbed that lever to flip like that.
I've never ridden a bike with ABS and I'm no stunt rider into stoppies or wheelies etc. but it's my understanding that to do a 'good' stoppie, you need to be progressive with the brake to get the grip. Much like emergency stopping, too much, too quickly and it'll skid rather than grip? t ones and grabbing the "normal" amount of brake which was actually way too much I can kind of see how this would progress but he must have absolutely full insti-grabbed that lever to flip like that. Of course strong brakes, modern tyres, warm road surface etc. obviously helps (or not in this case!). Either way, unless some sort of mechanical failure, the rider needs to learn something about braking - which, to be blunt he probably has now...
Fastdruid said:
Krikkit said:
black-k1 said:
You can only assume he "woke up" to the fact he was closing the gap to the bike in front and simply grabbed a fistful. Do those Ducatis not have ABS? Had it been switched off?
If the video is accurate that it was a 2022 bike (looks like a V2 Panigale) they have the 6-axis IMU and fancy ABS, but only in the right mode - I bet he had it in Race or another low-assistance mode.stu67 said:
Yep I really can't get my head around the US argument around ABS. I recently had a lively discussion on Face ache with a US based member around if $200 extra was worth it for ABS on a particular new bike. I mean ABS is probably the biggest advancement in bikes since fuel injection and I just don't get why you wouldn't get it. I think it's more about their right not to be told by the "state" what to do, weird!
Yanks do seem to have a big problem with rules and laws that apply to them, no issue though if those are only really applicable to others (at that point in time).Looks like he had shifted his weight that far forward to the point you can see his left foot off the peg, doing a forward rossi style leg dangle.
Don't think any amount of ABS would save, especially if the rider has turned it right now.
Im not saying the UK license system fully prevents these types of new rider errors, but they really do just hand bike licences out in america, along with the ability for them to jump on very powerful machines straight away.
Don't think any amount of ABS would save, especially if the rider has turned it right now.
Im not saying the UK license system fully prevents these types of new rider errors, but they really do just hand bike licences out in america, along with the ability for them to jump on very powerful machines straight away.
EVOTECH3BELL said:
Im not saying the UK license system fully prevents these types of new rider errors, but they really do just hand bike licences out in america, along with the ability for them to jump on very powerful machines straight away.
Pretty much...Since moving to Canada, I've had to redo my bike license as it isn't an automatic transfer like the UK car license.
Here, there is a graduated system but based on time not bike capacity.
So first step is write your M1. Simple, multiple choice questions in a drive test centre...
Next up, do your M2. Best option is through a registered school. it's basically the fundamentals of bike control in a private car park on 125 cc machines. Do your test at the end of the 2 day course and you have your M2 entitlement.
Armed with the M2 license, I can ride anything I want as long as I can afford the insurance. No capacity or power limits.
The M2 is valid for 5 years but you have to wait a minimum 22 months from the M2 pass date (18 months if yo went through a registered school) before you can take the full M test.
Difference between M2 and full M?? Nothing really. Couple of minor amendments regarding alcohol allowances
and the M never expires. But no cc or power rating uplifts.
I'm currently riding a KTM 1190 on my M2 and have my full M booked for the end of this month. I don't have to wait as I had a UK license for more than 2 years so they count the experience... but still,
Having grown up in the UK on the 16 yr old 50 cc then 250/125 at 17 rules, I believe there is a lot of experience to be gained from starting small. In SA I hade a friend who jumped straight onto a S1000RR with zero bike experience and was a complete liability. He actually scared himself so much the bike was never ridden... too much too soon despite our repeated recommendations to start with a 400 or similar and build up.
So while I'm a fan of the graduated approach, I do suspect the UK system has become too draconian and is actually designed to discourage uptake of motorcycles. After all, if you can't make something illegal, simple legislate it into oblivion....
Edited by Steve Bass on Thursday 6th July 14:48
Steve Bass said:
EVOTECH3BELL said:
Im not saying the UK license system fully prevents these types of new rider errors, but they really do just hand bike licences out in america, along with the ability for them to jump on very powerful machines straight away.
Pretty much...Since moving to Canada, I've had to redo my bike license as it isn't an automatic transfer like the UK car license.
Here, there is a graduated system but based on time not bike capacity.
So first step is write your M1. Simple, multiple choice questions in a drive test centre...
Next up, do your M2. Best option is through a registered school. it's basically the fundamentals of bike control in a private car park on 125 cc machines. Do your test at the end of the 2 day course and you have your M2 entitlement.
Armed with the M2 license, I can ride anything I want as long as I can afford the insurance. No capacity or power limits.
The M2 is valid for 5 years but you have to wait a minimum 22 months from the M2 pass date (18 months if yo went through a registered school) before you can take the full M test.
Difference between M2 and full M?? Nothing really. Couple of minor amendments regarding alcohol allowances
and the M never expires. But no cc or power rating uplifts.
I'm currently riding a KTM 1190 on my M2 and have my full M booked for the end of this month. I don't have to wait as I had a UK license for more than 2 years so they count the experience... but still,
Having grown up in the UK on the 16 yr old 50 cc then 250/125 at 17 rules, I believe there is a lot of experience to be gained from starting small. In SA I hade a friend who jumped straight onto a S1000RR with zero bike experience and was a complete liability. He actually scared himself so much the bike was never ridden... too much too soon despite our repeated recommendations to start with a 400 or similar and build up.
So while I'm a fan of the graduated approach, I do suspect the UK system has become too draconian and is actually designed to discourage uptake of motorcycles. After all, if you can't make something illegal, simple legislate it into oblivion....
Edited by Steve Bass on Thursday 6th July 14:48
Interestingly , I asked a question on Reddit , 'Which country has the hardest motorcycle test', some in mainland Europe are harder and stricter , Japan seems impossible, but what was eye opening was how easy the USA was, and it varies from state to state as in easy to walk in and walk out with a licence without sitting on a bike.
Am I the only one that didn't know ABS should have prevented this?
I mean, it makes sense now, but I originally just assumed it was there for when the front locks up, rather than occasions like this.
Thought that for electronics to stop things like this would really be just for bikes with IMUs
I mean, it makes sense now, but I originally just assumed it was there for when the front locks up, rather than occasions like this.
Thought that for electronics to stop things like this would really be just for bikes with IMUs
catso said:
st rider not paying attention with a weak upper body by the looks of it. Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff