Scotland trialling new road markings that help motorcyclists
Discussion
The problem is that too many motorcyclists ride beyond their capability, and have no interest in understanding how they can safely improve that capability. Newbies/born agains are disproportionately represented in such a group, but there are also more experienced motorcyclists who ride beyond their capability. This is why approximately 1 third of biking accidents in the UK are single vehicle accidents.
This appears to be a simple, reasonably cheap, easy to implement idea that has the potential to reduce the number of such accidents without direct interference with riding on the road. Even a small reduction in the number of accidents will mean it was money well spent.I, for one, am very keen to see what the outcomes of the trial actually are.
This appears to be a simple, reasonably cheap, easy to implement idea that has the potential to reduce the number of such accidents without direct interference with riding on the road. Even a small reduction in the number of accidents will mean it was money well spent.I, for one, am very keen to see what the outcomes of the trial actually are.
ChocolateFrog said:
EVOTECH3BELL said:
Been there for years.
Only been up in the van but nothing like a nice but of slippery white paint mixed with the Scottish rain to keep you awake while riding
That was my first thought. Only been up in the van but nothing like a nice but of slippery white paint mixed with the Scottish rain to keep you awake while riding
black-k1 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
EVOTECH3BELL said:
Been there for years.
Only been up in the van but nothing like a nice but of slippery white paint mixed with the Scottish rain to keep you awake while riding
That was my first thought. Only been up in the van but nothing like a nice but of slippery white paint mixed with the Scottish rain to keep you awake while riding
Not sure I'd like to see these every where, Road conditions are dynamic and you position accordingly, I'd hate to think they people would use these solely over and above other cues for road speed and position. Clear dry road I'd would be interesting to thread some together..
As for single vehicle accidents mentioned above, whilst a fail in confidence competence equilibrium might be at play in a large proportion of single vehicle accidents this isn't always the case there can be other factors at play, mechanical failure or poor road surface conditions e.g. oil on a roundabout.
MDUBZ said:
black-k1 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
EVOTECH3BELL said:
Been there for years.
Only been up in the van but nothing like a nice but of slippery white paint mixed with the Scottish rain to keep you awake while riding
That was my first thought. Only been up in the van but nothing like a nice but of slippery white paint mixed with the Scottish rain to keep you awake while riding
Not sure I'd like to see these every where, Road conditions are dynamic and you position accordingly, I'd hate to think they people would use these solely over and above other cues for road speed and position. Clear dry road I'd would be interesting to thread some together..
As for single vehicle accidents mentioned above, whilst a fail in confidence competence equilibrium might be at play in a large proportion of single vehicle accidents this isn't always the case there can be other factors at play, mechanical failure or poor road surface conditions e.g. oil on a roundabout.
There are a disproportionately large number of motorcycle accidents where the rider of the single vehicle simply failed to negotiate a bend, particularly on rural, derestricted roads. This is an approach to address that without imposing restriction on other motorcyclists or other road users (reductions in speed limits and enforcement as an example). As such, I support it but find it slightly disheartening how many people are willing to find fault with it without either evidence to support their view of "the problem" or an alternative "better" approach.
Plenty of riders stick to the middle of their lane all the time, like the trio on sports bikes I followed down the old military road a few weeks back: they were safe enough, but could've been faster and safer if they used the available road better. Positive nudging to do that seems like a good thing, but there's plenty of room for improvement from what we've seen so far.
NSR500 said:
Personally i would rather decide my line through a corner, road surface debris, cars cutting corners, i would prefer to be in charge of my life rather than someone that decides that's the line to be on.
Ii totally agree, do those who agree with this always obey every speed limit, never cross a double white line ? How did they actually measure where the lines would be painted ?
Onelastattempt said:
NSR500 said:
Personally i would rather decide my line through a corner, road surface debris, cars cutting corners, i would prefer to be in charge of my life rather than someone that decides that's the line to be on.
Ii totally agree, do those who agree with this always obey every speed limit, never cross a double white line ? How did they actually measure where the lines would be painted ?
If you don’t want to follow the markings then don’t but by the looks of it you’d be putting yourself at a disadvantage just to stick it to the man.
Onelastattempt said:
Ii totally agree, do those who agree with this always obey every speed limit, never cross a double white line ?
How did they actually measure where the lines would be painted ?
I have no idea what point you are trying to make. None of the road markings or signage requires a rider to do anything. It's simply a suggestion of an approach that is likely to give better road positioning leading to (hopefully) less accidents. How did they actually measure where the lines would be painted ?
Feel free to suggest other things that could be done to reduce accidents.
SAS Tom said:
Onelastattempt said:
NSR500 said:
Personally i would rather decide my line through a corner, road surface debris, cars cutting corners, i would prefer to be in charge of my life rather than someone that decides that's the line to be on.
Ii totally agree, do those who agree with this always obey every speed limit, never cross a double white line ? How did they actually measure where the lines would be painted ?
If you don’t want to follow the markings then don’t but by the looks of it you’d be putting yourself at a disadvantage just to stick it to the man.
Some newbies will think that those lines must be obeyed, regardless of their speed or the road conditions and that won't end well.
Onelastattempt said:
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Some newbies will think that those lines must be obeyed, regardless of their speed or the road conditions and that won't end well.
And, I suspect, is one of the things the trial will be looking at.Some newbies will think that those lines must be obeyed, regardless of their speed or the road conditions and that won't end well.
That said, I find it hard to imagine a situation where being in the position the road markings suggest is going to be worse than being in another position on the road
As above, your suggestion to reduce accidents is ... ?
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