Filtering "blocking"?

[Griffith4ever]

Tell me, experienced road riders...

Popped up to the petrol station today on my enduro (not that relevant, but the point being I don't ride on road much at all - mostly off road, and never in traffic). Traffic was moving along at around 40. Road is a 50. Caught up with traffic and there is a guy in front on a retro/restoration kind of bike, and he's positioned right on the left of the centre white line (solid). So he's on the rear right wing of the car in front.

Totally blocking me riding past / overtaking the car/s. I can't go round him - solid while line.

I eventually accelerate up his inside to then go past and round. Loads of room and he's a good couple of car lengths behind the car in front. What does he do? he accelerates to block me. So I back off, and he returns to his previous position.

When we reached a roundabout I popped into another lane and darted round him.

WTF? does filter blocking happen? Last time I road rode, was when I lived in London and such behaviour was non existent.

[Salted_Peanut]

I’m unsure I understood the situation. Was the bike ahead moving at around 40 mph when you overtook it on the inside?

[OverSteery]

Griffith4ever said:

Tell me, experienced road riders...

Popped up to the petrol station today on my enduro (not that relevant, but the point being I don't ride on road much at all - mostly off road, and never in traffic). Traffic was moving along at around 40. Road is a 50. Caught up with traffic and there is a guy in front on a retro/restoration kind of bike, and he's positioned right on the left of the centre white line (solid). So he's on the rear right wing of the car in front.

Totally blocking me riding past / overtaking the car/s. I can't go round him - solid while line.

I eventually accelerate up his inside to then go past and round. Loads of room and he's a good couple of car lengths behind the car in front. What does he do? he accelerates to block me. So I back off, and he returns to his previous position.

When we reached a roundabout I popped into another lane and darted round him.

WTF? does filter blocking happen? Last time I road rode, was when I lived in London and such behaviour was non existent.

If he was 2 car lengths from the car in front doing 40 he was too close IMHO. You overtook on the left hand side and then slotted into a gap that was already too small?

[Griffith4ever]

OK, lets try again

Do people (on bikes) purposefully block filtering?

car lengths etc, I'm approximating - trust me, it' wasn't unsafe - didnt expect all this in the bikle section. Let's just take it as read it wasn't unsafe ok. And I didn't undertake and "slot in". I accelerated to undertake but so did he, so I just backed off. I could not have been further away from him he was almost straddling the centre lines. There was st load of room and as far as I could tell he was actively trying to stop me overtaking on the right side, and the left.

Edited by Griffith4ever on Saturday 15th April 18:06

[Donbot]

You get the same idiots on bikes as you do in cars. Maybe they are upset you jumped the queue (ie. him), maybe they are playing road captain. Just give them space and get where you are going.

[scorcher]

Some people just don’t like others being in front of them or ‘pushing’ in

[OverSteery]

Griffith4ever said:

OK, lets try again

Do people (on bikes) purposefully block filtering?

car lengths etc, I'm approximating - trust me, it' wasn't unsafe - didnt expect all this in the bikle section. Let's just take it as read it wasn't unsafe ok. And I didn't undertake and "slot in". I accelerated to undertake but so did he, so I just backed off. I could not have been further away from him he was almost straddling the centre lines. There was st load of room and as far as I could tell he was actively trying to stop me overtaking on the right side, and the left.

Edited by Griffith4ever on Saturday 15th April 18:06

OK,

Generally, I would say not. Most motorcyclists tend to treat other motorcyclist well - although there are obviously exceptions.

However you weren't filtering (not at 40mph), you were overtaking. Again most motorcyclists done mind being overtaken, but some will have a male ego issue.

Clearly you were there and I wasn't, so we will have to take you word that what you did was fine - but it doesn't sound good from the description.

Was he waiting for the solid line to end so he could perform his own overtake and you "muscled-in" in front perhaps.

[HybridTheory]

Was he on a Harley !

[OutInTheShed]

Griffith4ever said:

Tell me, experienced road riders...

Popped up to the petrol station today on my enduro (not that relevant, but the point being I don't ride on road much at all - mostly off road, and never in traffic). Traffic was moving along at around 40. Road is a 50. Caught up with traffic and there is a guy in front on a retro/restoration kind of bike, and he's positioned right on the left of the centre white line (solid). So he's on the rear right wing of the car in front.

Totally blocking me riding past / overtaking the car/s. I can't go round him - solid while line.

I eventually accelerate up his inside to then go past and round. Loads of room and he's a good couple of car lengths behind the car in front. What does he do? he accelerates to block me. So I back off, and he returns to his previous position.

When we reached a roundabout I popped into another lane and darted round him.

WTF? does filter blocking happen? Last time I road rode, was when I lived in London and such behaviour was non existent.

Yes it happens.
Some bikers are oblivious of bikes behind them.
Some are plonkers.

You will always get grey areas where matey in front has a different opinion, thinks it's not safe and will wait to overtake.
You can try to see it form their POV but there are some tossers about on bikes, unfortunately some of them are plod.
Normally a ttcam is fair warning of this kind of behaviour.

[poo at Paul's]

If you’re on an enduro, hoik up a third gear minger and pass on the pavement whilst giving him the bird.

[Biker9090]

Griffith4ever said:

Traffic was moving along at around 40. centre white line (solid).

Hmmmm. So "filtering" past vehicles at 40 on a solid white line?

[Donbot]

poo at Paul's said:

If you’re on an enduro, hoik up a third gear minger and pass on the pavement whilst giving him the bird.

[DirtyHarley]

Biker9090 said:

Hmmmm. So "filtering" past vehicles at 40 on a solid white line?

If he's used to previously commuting into London a lot of us will 'filter' upto to the speed limit, even those of us who commute on Harleys

In this case - its difficult to say yay or nay as there are so many variables and even ways fo describing the same thing. From my read through I suspect the chap just didn't see you and didn't anticipate you coming up the inside rather than purposefully blocking you. You do get a few who will try to play 'road captain' and stop you overtaking/ filtering/ or otherwise making the progress you would like to be making .... atlhough I tend to find these are wannabe police types in high vis on BMWs and sometimes even a 'polite' vest.

[Carl-H]

Difficult to say from what you've said.

I personally rarely overtake with a solid white even if there is enough room to not cross it (one of the rules I don't break is crossing a solid white).

So to me it sounds like he was probably waiting for an opportunity to perform an overtake using all of the other side (how I prefer to overtake and see the safest) but he wasn't happy with you making progress the way you were. You know, the old anyone going faster than me is a lunatic and anyone going slower than me is an idiot. Not his place to try and block you but you do get that type of person regularly unfortunately. I wouldn't think too far into it

[Condi]

Carl-H said:

So to me it sounds like he was probably waiting for an opportunity to perform an overtake using all of the other side (how I prefer to overtake and see the safest)

Same here, and I'd be equally pissed off if someone tried to ride up the left of me and get into the gap left between me and the car in front. Not only does it reduce the space, but also the visibility past the car for the overtake.

[Condi]

DirtyHarley said:

If he's used to previously commuting into London a lot of us will 'filter' upto to the speed limit, even those of us who commute on Harleys

On a duel carriageway then yes, but with a solid white line down the middle of the road that's overtaking, not filtering. IMO.

[Blippy]

Griffith4ever said:

So he's on the rear right wing of the car in front................................................. I can't go round him - solid while line....................................I eventually accelerate up his inside to then go past and round.

Help me out if I'm being hard of understanding here. He's following traffic, possibly looking for an overtake himself when the solid white line clears, and you decide to undertake up his left side and take up whatever space he's left in front? He sees this and perhaps reacts a bit immaturely by closing the gap you were about to muscle-in on.

His reaction isn't perfect but this sounds like mostly a 'you' problem.

[Chicken_Satay]

Griffith4ever said:

OK, lets try again

Do people (on bikes) purposefully block filtering?

Edited by Griffith4ever on Saturday 15th April 18:06

Yes, but it's almost always BMW riders. Most BMW bikes are wide, with equally wide handlebars. Hence, most of them can't filter for st.

[black-k1]

Chicken_Satay said:

Griffith4ever said:

OK, lets try again

Do people (on bikes) purposefully block filtering?

Edited by Griffith4ever on Saturday 15th April 18:06

Yes, but it's almost always BMW riders. Most BMW bikes are wide, with equally wide handlebars. Hence, most of them can't filter for st.

There are always dheads who have no consideration for other road users.

Likewise, there are always those who filter/overtake slower and get caught up by other bikes in traffic queues.

Sometimes, someone is in both of the groups above and doesn't pull over to let catching bikes past and getting past them is a challenge.

Rather than most being BMW riders I'd suggest they tend to be over represented by adventure bike riders, many of whom are GS riders, who insist on carrying large ali cases of air around with them. I been caught behind Triumphs, KTMs, and other makes as well as GSs.

That said, I've also been caught behind other types of bikes where the gaps are easily bike enough to comfortable get past yet they choose not to.

[Griffith4ever]

Cheers all - very informative. And yes, I should have hoisted a minger :-) (TE 300i)

He defo wasn't waiting to overtake. We rode for a good 2 miles and he could have done it many many times.

Was just curious. I think as all my road riding was in London for a good 5 years, my perception fo what's normal might be slightly skewed :-) You'd never survive in London trying road captain stuff.

Re the BMWs etc - I'm marshalling at the ABR Festival this year so will let you know :-)