When exactly are ICE bikes being banned?
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2030 supposed to be no new sales of small bikes and 2035 for all bikes. Dunno about Euro 6.
However it could be, by that time, the the government does a U-turn, especially if some "green" fuel is readily available that is being developed by Porsche (and others). That might give ICE vehicles an extension. I suspect ICE and electric will co-exist for many years to come.
However it could be, by that time, the the government does a U-turn, especially if some "green" fuel is readily available that is being developed by Porsche (and others). That might give ICE vehicles an extension. I suspect ICE and electric will co-exist for many years to come.
Consultation last year from DfT on 2035 end of sales of new petrol (or diesel) combustion engined 2 wheel motorcycles -
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/l-cate...
Some MCN articles on this -
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/petrol-ban-mot...
Lots of talk about synthetic or e-fuels, but they won't be the long term answer.
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/l-cate...
Some MCN articles on this -
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/petrol-ban-mot...
Lots of talk about synthetic or e-fuels, but they won't be the long term answer.
spoodler said:
Important to differentiate between "banning" and "no longer sell new ones"... Bogie has already answered one of those questions, as for the other, I'm not aware that any outright ban is in the offing. We haven't yet banned wood and coal fired engines...
No you are right. I meant when will the sale of new ICE bikes be banned. PT1984 said:
Thanks for that. That’s where my confusion is. Different sites seem to give different dates for mopeds and full size bikes.
The e-fuels I think is a red herring. This will be an extremely expensive option. For those who can afford to run their classics.
Why any different to batteries? Their cost has come down significantly as the tech has evolved over time.The e-fuels I think is a red herring. This will be an extremely expensive option. For those who can afford to run their classics.
There are 1.1bn cars in the Top 10 car owning countries of the world, how many of that are EV? The market for snyth fuel is massive.
TX.
Cars and bikes you have today or buy in 2029 running an ICE will be legal for decades after ICE is no longer for sale new. The idea is not to ban ICE with immediate effect but to begin the phasing out of ICE on our roads.
The problem, of course, will be that finding fuel will be an issue long before all the existing ICE vehicles are worn out. There will be a tipping point rapidly approaching after 2030 where the supply and sale of petrol and diesel for ICE cars will just not be nearly as easy to find as the forecourts stop selling due to no profit in it as EV's start to become the norm.
E-fuel's will help, providing your bike or car can run on them but likely still be a pain to find for many given it will be a niche market product.
The problem, of course, will be that finding fuel will be an issue long before all the existing ICE vehicles are worn out. There will be a tipping point rapidly approaching after 2030 where the supply and sale of petrol and diesel for ICE cars will just not be nearly as easy to find as the forecourts stop selling due to no profit in it as EV's start to become the norm.
E-fuel's will help, providing your bike or car can run on them but likely still be a pain to find for many given it will be a niche market product.
Do we have the capacity for production on that scale? I have watched a few of the Porsche e-fuel vids and they seem to suggest this will be a luxury commodity.
I don’t see it as a genuine alternative for Karen to fill up the Zafira. But for a motorbike you could probably stomach £4-£5 a litre, for something for pleasure use.
They have recently reduced Livewire prices. So that is promising.
I don’t see it as a genuine alternative for Karen to fill up the Zafira. But for a motorbike you could probably stomach £4-£5 a litre, for something for pleasure use.
They have recently reduced Livewire prices. So that is promising.
Terminator X said:
Why any different to batteries? Their cost has come down significantly as the tech has evolved over time.
Energy efficiency is the answer... A battery is very efficient, you put 100 units of electricity in and get 80 units of energy back out as usable work.
Any synthetic fuel which is burnt loses 70-80% of the energy via combustion, so the "usable work" is only about 25% of the energy input.
The same is true of petrol of course, but petrol is so cheap that we've got used to it. It's a very different story if you're burning fossil fuels to create electricity to create e-fuels to then lose 75% of that energy by sticking it in an engine. Maybe they will have a use in aviation, or maybe we'll develop algae derived fuels which use sunlight, but it's not going to be anywhere near as cheap as oil.
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