THE disc lock?
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I think that no disk lock is a serious concern to a half decent cordless angle grinder. If you really are looking for decent protection then I think you'll need more than a disk lock. That said, if you're just after visual deterrent to make the scrote look at the bike next to yours rather than at yours, then anything Thatcham approved would be a good place to start. I'd suggest two smaller locks, one per disk, are likely to be more of challenge than a single "chunkier" unit. Whatever you do, make sure you get a "tell tale" that you put on the bike to stop you riding off with the lock(s) still on.
Been using an ABUS alarmed disc lock for 10 years or so as it was an insurance requirement when away from home. All gold rated etc with the benefit of making a noise if the bike is touched. They are really just to deter opportunists, the pros who want your new shiny bike will just pick it up and put it in a van and sort out the lock later.
loftylad said:
Google “roundlock”
I have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
About 1 minute and your bike is gone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5BRy93769UI have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
Abus 8077 is the best I've used, IE flexible and alarm is reliable etc.
I also have an Abus 8008, but this is more restrictive on what it fits due to the larger pin. But is more chunky and higher rated.
The flaw in either is they can just cut the disc, but once at that point they'll cut whatever you have on it anyway
I also have an Abus 8008, but this is more restrictive on what it fits due to the larger pin. But is more chunky and higher rated.
The flaw in either is they can just cut the disc, but once at that point they'll cut whatever you have on it anyway
black-k1 said:
loftylad said:
Google “roundlock”
I have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
About 1 minute and your bike is gone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5BRy93769UI have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
Show me a Scrote bike thief who can pick locks like LPL and you can have my ‘bike.
loftylad said:
black-k1 said:
loftylad said:
Google “roundlock”
I have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
About 1 minute and your bike is gone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5BRy93769UI have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
Show me a Scrote bike thief who can pick locks like LPL and you can have my ‘bike.
loftylad said:
black-k1 said:
loftylad said:
Google “roundlock”
I have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
About 1 minute and your bike is gone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5BRy93769UI have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
Show me a Scrote bike thief who can pick locks like LPL and you can have my ‘bike.
I'll start practicing lock picking tonight.How long do you think it would take a scrote to practice lock picking before they became competent enough to get passed such devices if it's all that's between them and £10k, £20k, £30K+ of "free" motorcycle. Lock picking is good for the scrotes as it doesn't make any noise.
The point is that every single item of motorcycle security is simply a delaying device. All can be got passed.pretty easily. Making life as difficult as possible with different layers of security which require different skills/tools is probably the safest option even if each layer is not "best in class".
Koyaanisqatsi said:
And whilst on a comfortable workbench with no time pressure don't forget. Not hunched over on their knees in a busy High Street or your dark garage. Same goes for angle grinder attacks -- in the real world it's going to be trickier cutting a chain link or lock when it's rattling around everywhere, not held in a clamp for a Youtube video.
Did you watch the video? The lock was fitted to a 14mm chain and neither were held in place.Koyaanisqatsi said:
Same goes for angle grinder attacks -- in the real world it's going to be trickier cutting a chain link or lock when it's rattling around everywhere, not held in a clamp for a Youtube video.
Loads of videos on YouTube of scrotes cutting chains off with battery grinders. Absolutely tonnes. Passersby do nothing for fear of retaliation. I think it's calmed down a bit recently but there was a period when it was absolutely rife.
As for disc locks, I don't have one and I don't know how effective they are but I know a couple of people with a "Roadlok". It's a little bracket thing that goes around the brake caliper and there's a pin that secures itself through the hole in the disk. This thing...
http://roadlok.com/
black-k1 said:
loftylad said:
black-k1 said:
loftylad said:
Google “roundlock”
I have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
About 1 minute and your bike is gone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5BRy93769UI have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
Show me a Scrote bike thief who can pick locks like LPL and you can have my ‘bike.
I'll start practicing lock picking tonight.How long do you think it would take a scrote to practice lock picking before they became competent enough to get passed such devices if it's all that's between them and £10k, £20k, £30K+ of "free" motorcycle. Lock picking is good for the scrotes as it doesn't make any noise.
The point is that every single item of motorcycle security is simply a delaying device. All can be got passed.pretty easily. Making life as difficult as possible with different layers of security which require different skills/tools is probably the safest option even if each layer is not "best in class".
OP asked for a decent disc lock resistant to brute force attacks. I suggested one.
If lockpicking is so quick,silent and easy, why do thieving scrotes never use that method, and continue to use loud cordless angle grinders and tool attacks? (Rhetorical question)
Of course it’s about layers. No one is disputing that.
This is why I seldom post.
loftylad said:
black-k1 said:
loftylad said:
black-k1 said:
loftylad said:
Google “roundlock”
I have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
About 1 minute and your bike is gone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5BRy93769UI have one (amongst other things) and other than putting the ‘bike in a van or cutting brake disks, I don’t see how this could be removed.
There’s some reviews/tests on Bennett’s etc.
Show me a Scrote bike thief who can pick locks like LPL and you can have my ‘bike.
I'll start practicing lock picking tonight.How long do you think it would take a scrote to practice lock picking before they became competent enough to get passed such devices if it's all that's between them and £10k, £20k, £30K+ of "free" motorcycle. Lock picking is good for the scrotes as it doesn't make any noise.
The point is that every single item of motorcycle security is simply a delaying device. All can be got passed.pretty easily. Making life as difficult as possible with different layers of security which require different skills/tools is probably the safest option even if each layer is not "best in class".
OP asked for a decent disc lock resistant to brute force attacks. I suggested one.
If lockpicking is so quick,silent and easy, why do thieving scrotes never use that method, and continue to use loud cordless angle grinders and tool attacks? (Rhetorical question)
Of course it’s about layers. No one is disputing that.
This is why I seldom post.
If you post statements that are factually incorrect then I'd suggest it's reasonable that they are challenged. It's sad that you see that as "an argument".
ETA Other than showing that it was possible to get past the lock in around 1 minute, I didn't actually disagree with anything you said! I'm not sure what your definition of argument is, but it diefinitely differs from mine!
Edited by black-k1 on Wednesday 22 February 11:04
loftylad said:
Ok, I’m not here to argue.
OP asked for a decent disc lock resistant to brute force attacks. I suggested one.
If lockpicking is so quick,silent and easy, why do thieving scrotes never use that method, and continue to use loud cordless angle grinders and tool attacks? (Rhetorical question)
Of course it’s about layers. No one is disputing that.
This is why I seldom post.
OP asked for a decent disc lock resistant to brute force attacks. I suggested one.
If lockpicking is so quick,silent and easy, why do thieving scrotes never use that method, and continue to use loud cordless angle grinders and tool attacks? (Rhetorical question)
Of course it’s about layers. No one is disputing that.
This is why I seldom post.
To answer the question:
TI'd suggest s look at the Pragmasis mentioned or Abus Victory, both are both compact and design-wise offer good resistance. The watch-out will be the risk of a brake disc being cut so bypassing the lock and then the bike can be wheeled off elsewhere to check for a tracker / into nearby van away from the lookers-on. Check the gaps in the disc are suitable for the lock you're looking at. For real ease of use, the Roadlok was on my shortlist and looks good security-wise.
I carry an Abus Sledg 77 for quick daytime use and have just ordered a Litelok X3 U-lock to go with a decent chain for overnight etc. The chain can be looped around an anchor point / mate's bike and the U-lock secures the trailing end and goes through the wheel hub. The lock's angle-grinder resistant, but nothing's going to stop a professional. However, I can delay them a fair bit and hopefully make it more hassle that they can be bothered with. It's not cheap, but still less than half my policy excess... I also have Datatag that came with the bike and whilst that won't stop anyone, it just adds up to another layer of undesirability for a thief.
As far as security goes, your bike needs to look like more of a hassle to steal than the next one. You can add as many locks and alarms as you like, it's all for nought when they cut them off with an angle grinder in 20 seconds. If your bike has 2 chains and another bike has 1, they'll probably go for the easier one.
As far as LPL goes, as fantastically impressive as his skills are, that took years of practice and a bespoke took to crack. I'd wager it'd be quicker to cut the chain with a grinder and be on your way.
As far as LPL goes, as fantastically impressive as his skills are, that took years of practice and a bespoke took to crack. I'd wager it'd be quicker to cut the chain with a grinder and be on your way.
XRTInfraction said:
Loads of videos on YouTube of scrotes cutting chains off with battery grinders. Absolutely tonnes. Passersby do nothing for fear of retaliation.
I think it's calmed down a bit recently but there was a period when it was absolutely rife.
As for disc locks, I don't have one and I don't know how effective they are but I know a couple of people with a "Roadlok". It's a little bracket thing that goes around the brake caliper and there's a pin that secures itself through the hole in the disk. This thing...
http://roadlok.com/
Here's Bennett's take on the Roadlok.I think it's calmed down a bit recently but there was a period when it was absolutely rife.
As for disc locks, I don't have one and I don't know how effective they are but I know a couple of people with a "Roadlok". It's a little bracket thing that goes around the brake caliper and there's a pin that secures itself through the hole in the disk. This thing...
http://roadlok.com/
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/prod...
I've got one... Means I've always got a lock with me. I've also got an Oxford Patriot that can be used as another disc lock or to secure the matching chain in the garage.
RazerSauber said:
As far as LPL goes, as fantastically impressive as his skills are, that took years of practice and a bespoke took to crack. I'd wager it'd be quicker to cut the chain with a grinder and be on your way.
It would definitely be quicker, not necessarily more subtle.I've used one of those disc-detainer picking tools (a mate of mine is a big LPL fanboy and bought one) and it's very straight-forward with minor familiarity in lock picking. I had his bike lock (a Kryptonite) open in about a minute without too much trouble.
That said, I absolutely recognise that it'll be an exceedingly rare case that someone bothers with picking tools instead of a battery grinder.
p.s. Lock picking is a great little hobby, get a set of cheap tools and a few padlocks and have a go! I think I got a set with a dummy clear-case padlock from aliexpress for a tenner.
Edited by Krikkit on Wednesday 22 February 14:05
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