KTM 790 Duke 2023

[Ecosseven]

KTM have announced the price for the reintroduced 790 Duke - £7,999.

It's a good price I think - the same as the new GSX-8S and £1k more than the new Hornet but it does have 95bhp, 64 lb-ft of torque, lightweight chassis.

Sounds like the best selling MT-07 could be facing some serious competition this year.

[rigga]

Original 790 had the tech pack installed from the get go, no charge on top.

Later 890 was a cost extra, and not cheap for a software upload.

Wonder what the score is on the new 790?

[scorcher]

Another £724 for the tech pack

[PT1984]

The 890 (2022) looks to to retail for £10,049 so quite the saving. However end of the year is definitely the time to buy. A few at £8k, more at £9k with the tech pack.

Engine output / capacity aside, will all other hardware be shared between the 790/890? Will both still be made in Austria? I thought some production was being moved to China? (CF Moto).

It looks to come with 3 riding modes. So if you want it, it’s £360 for the QS after the demo mode has expired. Thought not sure if you would need the MSR.

Edited by PT1984 on Tuesday 3rd January 09:29

Edited by PT1984 on Tuesday 3rd January 09:42

[carinaman]

I saw a piece online saying KTM were going to have some personnel from Austria working at the Chinese plant(s) to help ensure quality standards.

Late last year the KTM dealer Herts./Bucks. way, KTM Centre?, the one TMF has used to test at least one KTM, had for sale a lightly used, about 2K miles, Duke 790L which seemed to be an A2 compatible Duke 790. It had orange wheels. I like orange wheels.

The Duke 490 mooted pre-Covid hasn't materialised, so this provides an A2 compatible bike that competes with the new CB750 Hornet and GSX-S8 and fills the gap between the 390 and 890 that the cancelled, or delayed Duke 490 hasn't filled.

[PT1984]

I do hope it’s not made in China. That would be nothing more than a cost cutting exercise.

[carinaman]

PT1984 said:

I do hope it’s not made in China. That would be nothing more than a cost cutting exercise.

I've read it somewhere and possibly TMF mentioned it in his monthly round ups of MCN.

Googling to find it, I've learnt the CF-Moto version of the KTM 790 Adventure is to be sold in the UK. One of the YouTubers said they wouldn't mind having a go on the CF-Moto version of the KTM 790 Adventure as they thought it wasn't to be sold in the UK.

CF-Moto version of the KTM 790 Adventure. I love the 6 LED KTM headlamp design so the styling of this CF-Moto is doing it for me at the moment:

https://www.visordown.com/news/new-bikes/ktm-790-a...

I don't know how it compares to the price of the KTM 790 Adventure that's just been re-released.

[Jazoli]

What a rip off the demo modes are, paying to use stuff that is already fitted to the bike, utter nonsense, I'd not buy one on principal, what if you trade it in back with the dealer, will some poor punter have to pay again for the QS that is fitted but has been disabled by the dealer? Scamming bds, similar to BMW and putting their heated seats on a subscription service.

[deebs]

Did the original 790 have issues?

[Tribal Chestnut]

deebs said:

Did the original 790 have issues?

It’s a KTM, so highly unlikely.

[Bob_Defly]

carinaman said:

TMF mentioned it in his monthly round ups of MCN.

Someone watches that warm milky tea of a channel?

[rigga]

Tribal Chestnut said:

deebs said:

Did the original 790 have issues?

It’s a KTM, so highly unlikely.

Minor oil and coolant leaks

Still prevalent on later 890 models.

[carinaman]

Bob_Defly said:

Someone watches that warm milky tea of a channel?

I don't watch all of his content, I've not watched any of his North America tour and have little, if any sympathy for him over that Royal Enfield customisation kerfuffle. I'll scroll through his MCN monthly round ups and play them at a faster speed. I know that part of Bucks./Herts. slightly and recognise some of the roads he rides on. I've been to that Gt. Missenden railway station.

I like bits of his motorcycle reviews, the bit where he shows how tight the turning circle is and the headlamp performance by riding at night. I did 80 miles at night at the weekend, mostly on unlit roads, perhaps 60% on dual carriageways. Headlamp performance is something I am interested in. The KTM 6 LED headlamp as on the 2017> Dukes could be my favourite headlamp design, I like the looks of it and that central dividing spar being a heatsink for the LEDs.

I've watched some of his Superbike Factory used reviews, the most recent being the VFR1200 one following comments in Bolide Michael's VFR1200 thread here in Biker Banter. I've also watched two of the Bennetts Social Superbike Factory videos where they choose a motorcycle for someone looking for their next bike, which is a format from Men and Motors which I never saw on TV.

TMF and another smaller Motorcycle related YouTube channel influenced me, just as comments on PH by Birky_41 on his Z650 loaner reminded me how I didn't go for a new one reduced down to £5,299 in 2019. Part of the reason I didn't go for it was the salesman came back with his Manager who proceeded to tell me what a good deal it was which really got my back up. If the Z650 had had the Birky_41 seal of approval before then perhaps I'd have been keener on getting it.

Apologies in advances if it's another PHer who had the Z650 loaner and not Birky_41

Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 4th January 21:08

[PT1984]

https://www.carolenash.com/news/classic-car-news/d...

Seems to suggest this will be built in China. Poor show

[ChocolateFrog]

I can't help but think any modern parallel twin is built for the princely sum of £1.99.

A modicum of passion in the design could have it at 120hp, 100mpg and 40kg.

Everything about them is so uninspiring. It's quite amusing seeing all the ways manufacturers can say "we built it because its much cheaper for us" without saying anything of the sort.

[PT1984]

In the price bracket the Yamaha CP3 bikes are the best options. Interesting engine and still made in Japan which I think still counts for something. Only something made in Bologna are more desirable, and possibly the only ones built with real passion. That has a £ value.

[deebs]

rigga said:

Tribal Chestnut said:

deebs said:

Did the original 790 have issues?

It’s a KTM, so highly unlikely.

Minor oil and coolant leaks

Still prevalent on later 890 models.

I've a 17 690, not had any oil leaks but plenty issues keeping it cool, including at one point leaks. Love the bike but dunno if I'd buy another.

[rigga]

deebs said:

rigga said:

Tribal Chestnut said:

deebs said:

Did the original 790 have issues?

It’s a KTM, so highly unlikely.

Minor oil and coolant leaks

Still prevalent on later 890 models.

I've a 17 690, not had any oil leaks but plenty issues keeping it cool, including at one point leaks. Love the bike but dunno if I'd buy another.

690 is a different engine, or did you meant to type 790 ?

[deebs]

rigga said:

deebs said:

rigga said:

Tribal Chestnut said:

deebs said:

Did the original 790 have issues?

It’s a KTM, so highly unlikely.

Minor oil and coolant leaks

Still prevalent on later 890 models.

I've a 17 690, not had any oil leaks but plenty issues keeping it cool, including at one point leaks. Love the bike but dunno if I'd buy another.

690 is a different engine, or did you meant to type 790 ?

Yes, the 690 was the (last?) single cylinder duke, appreciate it was a different engine, was pondering if generally the quality has improved on the original 790 or the 890 really, as the bike is a hoot but I've had quite a lot of issues for a 5 year old approved used bike, particularly around cooling.