1994 GSXF 600 won't idle correctly

1994 GSXF 600 won't idle correctly

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Pench

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12 posts

152 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Hi all!

I'm very happy that I've managed to get the bike actually started and able to run to a degree. Now I've borrowed a CarbTune off of a very nice gent and set about balancing my carbs (GSXF600 1994). I have an issue that I can't seem to resolve though. I can get it to start (not reliably though) and then run but I cant get the idle below 2k rpm without it stalling. Each time it stalls it won't restart at all unless I use a very small spray of easy start.

Once it starts again it will once again happily run and rev, but only with the high idle.

Any tips on where to start?

bgunn

1,447 posts

137 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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You’ve not mentioned whether it’ll rev out, or whether you’ve tried to ride it? How does it run further up the rev range?

Have you checked the carbs for debris/blockages?

Check for air leaks also.

Pench

Original Poster:

12 posts

152 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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bgunn said:
You’ve not mentioned whether it’ll rev out, or whether you’ve tried to ride it? How does it run further up the rev range?

Have you checked the carbs for debris/blockages?

Check for air leaks also.
My apologies, I should have included that.
The carbs have been stripped and cleaned and then rebuild using new seals and gaskets. Jets and fuel passageways blown through with compressed air and carb cleaner too.
It will rev fine in both idle and in gear although I haven't tried riding it.
It seems to run fine outside of the start and idle range though.

Steve_H80

362 posts

28 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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I was going to say carb balance, but you've already done that. Is it a choke thing - idles when hot but not when cold?

Pench

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12 posts

152 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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No it will idle happily at around 2k rpm but any lower and it dies no matter what temp the bike is at.

swanseaboydan

1,762 posts

169 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Sounds petty but in my experience it can be worth checking the fuel line. I had this once on an old Brit bike. At higher revs and with the choke on the bike would run well but at a low tick over and hence a much smaller use of fuel a very small kink in the fuel hose was causing fuel starvation. Worth checking hoses and also any fuel
Filters - they can be badly fitted so that they slow the flow of petrol.

Pench

Original Poster:

12 posts

152 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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swanseaboydan said:
Sounds petty but in my experience it can be worth checking the fuel line. I had this once on an old Brit bike. At higher revs and with the choke on the bike would run well but at a low tick over and hence a much smaller use of fuel a very small kink in the fuel hose was causing fuel starvation. Worth checking hoses and also any fuel
Filters - they can be badly fitted so that they slow the flow of petrol.
Hey mate thank you for your reply, the fuel lines definitely aren't the issue, I've had it on a remote tank set up and everything. And there's no inline filters on these either

swanseaboydan

1,762 posts

169 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Ahh ok - air filters can be fussy at lower revs too - have you checked / cleaned the air filter ?

conkerman

3,364 posts

141 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Check for vacuum leaks. Doesn't take much airto bugger up idle.

ETA.

Spray some WD30 rounds the carb rubbers and see if the engine picks up.

If you have fuel supply/spark and nor isr leaks, I'd probably be pulling the carbs off to check for blocked jets.



Edited by conkerman on Sunday 11th December 13:06

swanseaboydan

1,762 posts

169 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Get your thermals on and get back in the garage / shed / side of the road !

Pench

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12 posts

152 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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swanseaboydan said:
Get your thermals on and get back in the garage / shed / side of the road !
Thermals are on! Haha
So I've just had the carb bowls off and double and triple checked the pilot jets are clear and the drillings to and from them. I pushed thin wire through the drillings too just to confirm. Rechecked the float heights whilst I was there too. I don't think I'm getting any air leaks around the carb rubbers but that'll definitely be my next port of call.

swanseaboydan

1,762 posts

169 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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How old are the spark
Plugs ?

Pench

Original Poster:

12 posts

152 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Brand spanking new

bgunn

1,447 posts

137 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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swanseaboydan said:
Sounds petty but in my experience it can be worth checking the fuel line. I had this once on an old Brit bike. At higher revs and with the choke on the bike would run well but at a low tick over and hence a much smaller use of fuel a very small kink in the fuel hose was causing fuel starvation. Worth checking hoses and also any fuel
Filters - they can be badly fitted so that they slow the flow of petrol.
What you are saying doesn’t make sense. A restricted fuel line would prevent high fuel flow and allow a low fuel flow..

swanseaboydan

1,762 posts

169 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Not in my experiences it didn’t

podman

8,920 posts

246 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Does it smell of fuel?

Could be the needle valves/floats letting fuel flood thru which will clear on full throttle openings/on the main jet.

My first look would be the Idle jets thou…they can be a swine to clean fully.

For the cost id replace them (and needle valves and seats) rather than faffing around with cleaning them.


Turn7

24,073 posts

227 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Pench said:
My apologies, I should have included that.
The carbs have been stripped and cleaned and then rebuild using new seals and gaskets. Jets and fuel passageways blown through with compressed air and carb cleaner too.
It will rev fine in both idle and in gear although I haven't tried riding it.
It seems to run fine outside of the start and idle range though.
You checked the carb diaphragms though ?

kev b

2,724 posts

172 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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I had one of these bikes and suffered the same type of issues.

The problem was fouled plugs.