Decent training videos - Filtering

[vindaloo79]

I have just stumbled across this channel which is Motorcycle PWR - it has some good safe filtering footage, advice and demonstrated thought process.

Even as I’ve improved following practice and IAM I have found this very useful:

https://youtu.be/hr2ovT34taQ

If anyone has other suitable recommendations please do share.

Edited by vindaloo79 on Monday 31st October 22:23

[tim0409]

Thanks for the link; I found it helpful.

[CacheMonet]

Great channel, helped me so much I showed his videos to my instructor, who also approved

Another good channel is Moto Ecosse - https://m.youtube.com/c/MotoEcosse - he did a series called "Riding Tips" with one specifically about filtering

[Bairn]

Moto Ecosse has really helped me, I am currently doing my tests and his videos are really clear and make sense.

He also doesnt claim to be an expert, but just gives his point of view.

[dutters]

I am a new rider and it isn't the cars of Chelmsford that are an issue when filtering. Its bloody deliveroo/uber eats drivers! Utter cretins and dangerous drivers.

[vindaloo79]

Bairn said:

Moto Ecosse has really helped me, I am currently doing my tests and his videos are really clear and make sense.

He also doesnt claim to be an expert, but just gives his point of view.

Yup, I found this long after my test but feel he delivers some excellent content for those learning. +1

[hiccy18]

The vid in the OP is excellent, well thought out and put together, comprehensive.

[_Neal_]

hiccy18 said:

The vid in the OP is excellent, well thought out and put together, comprehensive.

Agreed - like his style of presenting too, thanks for posting OP!

[iidentifyaswoke]

Watched almost all of that vid. Good vid. Applicable to new riders or riders who haven't filtered before. Personally I would filter on motorways when traffic is going above the 15mph which he suggests in the vid, however when I do that I treat each vehicle individually before deciding to pass it, or not pass it.

The advice of being wary of heavy vehicles is good. It is easy to make a simple mistake, which ends up with your head squashed under the HGV wheels and your brains all over the pavements. I've seen that happen to someone before.

dutters said:

I am a new rider and it isn't the cars of Chelmsford that are an issue when filtering. Its bloody deliveroo/uber eats drivers! Utter cretins and dangerous drivers.

Not just Chelmsford, pizza delivery riders are pretty clueless everywhere. They are often faster though, because they take stupid risks. If you look at the scooters when they are parked up, they are often damaged. They win stupid prizes.

[black-k1]

A good (and not too dull - as many such videos can be) video. What I would suggest is that you must also understand where and when you are, and what is "the norm". For example, filtering on dual carriageways between traffic already travelling at 20 to 30mph (or sometimes faster) is something I'd generally avoid unless there was a very clear, safe and easily taken gap. But, in London, especially around rush hours, I have no issue with doing such filtering because there are many other bikes doing just that and the other road users will see bike after bike after bike coming past them. You doing so has no risk of surprising the other road users.

One thing I've been taught which I find really useful is, when filtering to the front of traffic at light-controlled junctions, ensure you actually get in the way of the car that you've stopped in front of. Pull across in front of them, at least in part. I do this even if it means partially crossing the junction stop line to do so. It means that the car can't move off until you are out of the way and avoids you being caught in a disappearing gap situation. Just don't hang around and hold them up when the lights change!

[vindaloo79]

black-k1 said:

A good (and not too dull - as many such videos can be) video. What I would suggest is that you must also understand where and when you are, and what is "the norm". For example, filtering on dual carriageways between traffic already travelling at 20 to 30mph (or sometimes faster) is something I'd generally avoid unless there was a very clear, safe and easily taken gap. But, in London, especially around rush hours, I have no issue with doing such filtering because there are many other bikes doing just that and the other road users will see bike after bike after bike coming past them. You doing so has no risk of surprising the other road users.

One thing I've been taught which I find really useful is, when filtering to the front of traffic at light-controlled junctions, ensure you actually get in the way of the car that you've stopped in front of. Pull across in front of them, at least in part. I do this even if it means partially crossing the junction stop line to do so. It means that the car can't move off until you are out of the way and avoids you being caught in a disappearing gap situation. Just don't hang around and hold them up when the lights change!

This ties in a bit with the other do you drive differently around EV thread, I have been very impressed with the acceleration of MG EV I think it was that led me to adopting that approach to avoid the situation you describe.

A couple of unassuming EVs have a surprising amount of torque when I’ve been overtaking and they were not likeing being taken (not filtering).

[iidentifyaswoke]

black-k1 said:

One thing I've been taught which I find really useful is, when filtering to the front of traffic at light-controlled junctions, ensure you actually get in the way of the car that you've stopped in front of. Pull across in front of them, at least in part. I do this even if it means partially crossing the junction stop line to do so. It means that the car can't move off until you are out of the way and avoids you being caught in a disappearing gap situation. Just don't hang around and hold them up when the lights change!

I generally do not ever cross the stop line unless there is a obvious safety benefit for that individual situation or it is required in order to achieve a big time saving (eg long queue with nowhere to pull in before the stop line). Simple reason - if you cross the stop line while the light is red, it is 3 points and £100. The chance of anyone handing you a ticket is low, but not zero. I just don't feel the need myself to do it routinely. I can't even remember if or when I've ended up in a tricky situation by not doing it.

If there is a junction with a red light camera, I would never do it. Infact I'm hesitant to filter to the front at all where there is a red light camera as boy racers can put their foot down a fraction of a second before the lights turn green, even if it risks them a ticket - and in doing so put me in a tricky situation if I wait until a full green light.

Another one - buses and high vehicles. Don't assume that just because they are moving, someone won't run out in front of them. I was filtering one time in south London past a bus which had started to move off from a bus stop. Ahh I thought, safe to overtake, which I did at about 15mph vs the 10mph of the bus. I thought wrong. A school kid sprinted out right from the kerb right in front of the moving bus and ran straight into the side of the bike.

Another one with filtering to the front - beware junctions with a speed camera just on the other side of the junction. The A4 is Chiswick heading into London is a good example. In any decent bike, you can be over the speed limit by halfway across the junction. Don't give it too many beans and get caught out by the speed camera on the other side.

Edited by iidentifyaswoke on Wednesday 2nd November 17:06

[MurderousCrow]

vindaloo79 said:

I have just stumbled across this channel which is Motorcycle PWR - it has some good safe filtering footage, advice and demonstrated thought process.

Even as I’ve improved following practice and IAM I have found this very useful:

https://youtu.be/hr2ovT34taQ

If anyone has other suitable recommendations please do share.

Edited by vindaloo79 on Monday 31st October 22:23

Thanks OP - the best filtering video I've seen yet, with tons of different situations shown. As a new rider living in a big city, this is really helpful.

[stu67]

Just do a few weeks in London, you will either be very late or confident!

[carinaman]

vindaloo79 said:

I have just stumbled across this channel which is Motorcycle PWR - it has some good safe filtering footage, advice and demonstrated thought process.

Even as I’ve improved following practice and IAM I have found this very useful:

https://youtu.be/hr2ovT34taQ

If anyone has other suitable recommendations please do share.

I have done that:




The traffic was mainly stationary with the odd bit of moving forward a few car lengths to stop again.

My reasoning was I only had vehicles on my left. I had a larger area between the queueing traffic and the central reservation. Out there I am not going to come across vehicles either side of me wanting to change lanes.

I've also not got to worry about the white lines separating the two lanes.

[hiccy18]

There's a difference between applying a general rule and assessing each situation and applying what you think is the safest strategy. There'll be more debris near the central reservation and, if you do get knocked off, you could be getting knocked into the central reservation: could you be knocked over it? What would the result of that be? If you've taken all the risks into account and believe that it's the safest strategy then you're probably right.

In general I wouldn't filter next to the central reservation because if it goes wrong I'm grease. If it's a wide reservation with no chance of being thrown into the path of oncoming traffic, it's an option.

That's my 2p, I am in no way an expert!

[carinaman]

That's cool hiccy.

There was some debris there. It was a barrier, not one of those cable central reservations, and there was a fair amount of room. I found it easier than trying to allow the gap between vehicles, and their mirrors varying either side, and getting a slight weave from the white lines being on a relatively light motorcycle.

I am left eye dominant so having the vehicles on my left and the central reservation that isn't going to move or open any doors on my right may have been more in my comfort zone as well as easier.

[carinaman]

CacheMonet said:

Great channel, helped me so much I showed his videos to my instructor, who also approved

Another good channel is Moto Ecosse - https://m.youtube.com/c/MotoEcosse - he did a series called "Riding Tips" with one specifically about filtering

He used Maserati 3200GTs for his filtering graphics.