Wsbk - Magny cours
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Great couple of days' racing.
As ever, both parties had differing opinions on the 2nd race clash.
Even as a JR fan, I thought that his dismissal of it was a wee bit nonchalant.
AB, wanting JR black flagged, was at the other end of the spectrum!
As you say, TR definitely came out best over the weekend.
As ever, both parties had differing opinions on the 2nd race clash.
Even as a JR fan, I thought that his dismissal of it was a wee bit nonchalant.
AB, wanting JR black flagged, was at the other end of the spectrum!
As you say, TR definitely came out best over the weekend.
JR getting a bit rattled now? Title chances don't look great at the moment. Toprak and AB have the measure of him so far this year.
Looked like he lifted AB up a bit as they came together to me, I'd hope that it wasn't intentional but I could certainly understand AB's annoyance at that crash! , Rea was never going to make it safely thru from so far back.
Reckless at best.
He's was pretty lucky to get away with a single LL penalty I think.
Looked like he lifted AB up a bit as they came together to me, I'd hope that it wasn't intentional but I could certainly understand AB's annoyance at that crash! , Rea was never going to make it safely thru from so far back.
Reckless at best.
He's was pretty lucky to get away with a single LL penalty I think.
I think to he fair that Duke is so ridiculously over fast JR has every right to be aggressive, Alvaro is 5 stone sopping weight, and the insane top speed is a bit OTT, it needs sorting for me. But Rea is over riding to compensate, hence the issues, and also they know that rattling Alvaro will cause mistakes
LukeBrown66 said:
I think to he fair that Duke is so ridiculously over fast JR has every right to be aggressive, Alvaro is 5 stone sopping weight, and the insane top speed is a bit OTT, it needs sorting for me. But Rea is over riding to compensate, hence the issues, and also they know that rattling Alvaro will cause mistakes
Apart from the fact that normally it's only bautista that's getting results for Ducati .Theres aggressive then there's moving over left when the actual corner goes left .
JR has been ultra aggressive for years with those moves. Normally staying the right side of things, but this was too much. I don’t believe it was intentional, but he said in the interview that he did nothing wrong and even made the apex which isn’t true. he was actually on the outside kerb opposite the apex.
Spoiled the race, but opened the championship up.
WSBK has been really entertaining this last few seasons. It’s really fun watching the three contenders when the bikes have such different strengths, but they’re arriving at similar overall performance.
Spoiled the race, but opened the championship up.
WSBK has been really entertaining this last few seasons. It’s really fun watching the three contenders when the bikes have such different strengths, but they’re arriving at similar overall performance.
It's good to see WSBK back to this close racing, it hasn't been aggressive for years.
Bautista being so light on the ultra powerful V4 has a huge speed advantage at certain circuits, but he's not great on the brakes (probably his 250 days) so will always lose out to Toprak and Rea in those areas. You have to remember he gained the championship lead mainly because of the Assen incident which blew things wide open.
Toprak took several rounds to find his form and JR has been there or thereabouts throughout.
As for this weekend, well the pendulum swung when both JR and Toprak crashed out in race one, although Toprak did recover some points. But the 2nd race.... I've watched JR's pass a few times and it's the elbow that does it for me, whether he had space etc he stuck his elbow out, part of me wants to say it was to ensure he didn't get bumped off, but it also nerfed Bautista into the kitty litter.
This could go down to the wire, fingers crossed.
Bautista being so light on the ultra powerful V4 has a huge speed advantage at certain circuits, but he's not great on the brakes (probably his 250 days) so will always lose out to Toprak and Rea in those areas. You have to remember he gained the championship lead mainly because of the Assen incident which blew things wide open.
Toprak took several rounds to find his form and JR has been there or thereabouts throughout.
As for this weekend, well the pendulum swung when both JR and Toprak crashed out in race one, although Toprak did recover some points. But the 2nd race.... I've watched JR's pass a few times and it's the elbow that does it for me, whether he had space etc he stuck his elbow out, part of me wants to say it was to ensure he didn't get bumped off, but it also nerfed Bautista into the kitty litter.
This could go down to the wire, fingers crossed.
poo at Paul's said:
Anyone else see Rinaldi kick out at Rea shortly after the incident with Bautista? Rinaldi parks it up the inside on turn in. And his left foot kicks out and hits area’s bike near brake lever.
Looked far more ‘deliberate’ that Rea’s move on Bautista tbh.
Yep, it wasn’t quite Rossi / Marc, but he definitely did a little kick. Surprised he got away with it. I guess a one long lap penalty was also quite lenient based on what happened as well. Let’s hope the racing goes back to hard but fair for the rest of the season.Looked far more ‘deliberate’ that Rea’s move on Bautista tbh.
Hungrymc said:
poo at Paul's said:
Anyone else see Rinaldi kick out at Rea shortly after the incident with Bautista? Rinaldi parks it up the inside on turn in. And his left foot kicks out and hits area’s bike near brake lever.
Looked far more ‘deliberate’ that Rea’s move on Bautista tbh.
Yep, it wasn’t quite Rossi / Marc, but he definitely did a little kick. Surprised he got away with it. I guess a one long lap penalty was also quite lenient based on what happened as well. Let’s hope the racing goes back to hard but fair for the rest of the season.Looked far more ‘deliberate’ that Rea’s move on Bautista tbh.
Pity fenatti isn't in wsbk he'd of been in reas garage knocking the crap out of him .
Rinaldi is bitter because as usual as he is likely out of a job after being rubbish on a fast bike all year, the Italians have punted on a very unproven rider just as they did in the past with Fabrizio, Lanzi Giugliano and now Rinaldi, he looks like he is getting the boot and I submit Chaz would have done a better job this year, it is a constant wit Ducati to put riders who are perhaps promising but not really good enough for that ride, all of them pretty much disappeared after riding a factory Ducati in Superbike!!
Freakuk said:
Bautista being so light on the ultra powerful V4 has a huge speed advantage at certain circuits
No doubt about that - he was similarly strong on the Honda last year. There are downsides with his size though.
Its hard to quantify but with his lack of mass / leverage he probably cant turn the bike as quickly as some of the others riders.
I remember Redding being able to muscle the Ducati around better but then had a smaller advantage on the straights as a result.
I think its only helping the racing as three teams / packages with differing strengths and weaknesses is making for some great viewing.
It was all going so well for Jonathan Rae a few seasons ago, multiple championships, top dog, Mr Nice Guy, couldn’t put a foot wrong. That all changed the moment a serious contender came along and put his nose out of joint. No more Mr Nice Guy on track, barge your way through and f
k the consequences. In certain ways you can accept some of that, however after the track limits incident with Toprak, any notion of fair play went out of the window.
His desperation, on track, has been showing for a while.
The incident on Sunday, no matter what angle you look at it from, it really does not look good for JR. The interview after the race was comical, if you ever wanted to know how to look 100% guilty, watch that interview, it was written all over his face, he knew what he’d done and I think he was expecting further penalties.
k the consequences. In certain ways you can accept some of that, however after the track limits incident with Toprak, any notion of fair play went out of the window.His desperation, on track, has been showing for a while.
The incident on Sunday, no matter what angle you look at it from, it really does not look good for JR. The interview after the race was comical, if you ever wanted to know how to look 100% guilty, watch that interview, it was written all over his face, he knew what he’d done and I think he was expecting further penalties.
CypSIdders said:
It was all going so well for Jonathan Rae a few seasons ago, multiple championships, top dog, Mr Nice Guy, couldn’t put a foot wrong. That all changed the moment a serious contender came along and put his nose out of joint. No more Mr Nice Guy on track, barge your way through and fk the consequences. In certain ways you can accept some of that, however after the track limits incident with Toprak, any notion of fair play went out of the window.
His desperation, on track, has been showing for a while.
The incident on Sunday, no matter what angle you look at it from, it really does not look good for JR. The interview after the race was comical, if you ever wanted to know how to look 100% guilty, watch that interview, it was written all over his face, he knew what he’d done and I think he was expecting further penalties.
Not sure what your issue is? Rather Rea rolled over without a fight? Past few seasons have been brilliant racing. Last year he was riding an inferior bike to the absolute ragged edge. He's better on the brakes this year but now has Bautista back on the Duke to contend with as well.k the consequences. In certain ways you can accept some of that, however after the track limits incident with Toprak, any notion of fair play went out of the window.His desperation, on track, has been showing for a while.
The incident on Sunday, no matter what angle you look at it from, it really does not look good for JR. The interview after the race was comical, if you ever wanted to know how to look 100% guilty, watch that interview, it was written all over his face, he knew what he’d done and I think he was expecting further penalties.
CypSIdders said:
It was all going so well for Jonathan Rae a few seasons ago, multiple championships, top dog, Mr Nice Guy,
His desperation, on track, has been showing for a while.
The incident on Sunday, no matter what angle you look at it from, it really does not look good for JR.
The interview after the race was comical, if you ever wanted to know how to look 100% guilty, watch that interview, it was written all over his face, he knew what he’d done and I think he was expecting further penalties.
If its not going his way he spits his dummy out, moaning about the Ducati v4 and being instrumental in its rev limit cut of back when it was dominating to taking liberties and barging people of track His desperation, on track, has been showing for a while.
The incident on Sunday, no matter what angle you look at it from, it really does not look good for JR.
The interview after the race was comical, if you ever wanted to know how to look 100% guilty, watch that interview, it was written all over his face, he knew what he’d done and I think he was expecting further penalties.
Good god man we all no your good but have some f
king decency and accept when your getting beaten with some respect. I still chuckle when Chaz davies called him a prick on live Tv after barging him off the track out of desperation.
Rea has a giant ego, witnessed by his numerous bhes over many years about MotoGP and his lack of chances, when it was he himself who turned down an HRC ride in the class to run to Kawasaki and win endless series with no competition for years, he deserves his success, he made it work, but I do think he has an issue with Alvaro personally, the man who basically got the ride he wanted at Gresini, when he was only offered that production spec RCV that was so rubbish, so he has beef I think and the move was a bit weird, bit no worse than Marquez did every week in MotoGP in his pomp.
I will say however that had he got his butt in gear, and ridden that RCV, beaten guys like Redding and Hayden who also were riding it, he could have perhaps achieved a lot in GP, but he decided to take an easier run, walk out on Honda who were perhaps harsh to only offer him that bike (he was not a champion in SBK so perhaps was not top of the pecking order), it worked for guys like Aleix, Petrucci and even Crutchlow to take lesser rides initially, and if anyone here thinks Rea is not as good as any of them who have all won GP's, I would argue they are clueless.
hes over many years about MotoGP and his lack of chances, when it was he himself who turned down an HRC ride in the class to run to Kawasaki and win endless series with no competition for years, he deserves his success, he made it work, but I do think he has an issue with Alvaro personally, the man who basically got the ride he wanted at Gresini, when he was only offered that production spec RCV that was so rubbish, so he has beef I think and the move was a bit weird, bit no worse than Marquez did every week in MotoGP in his pomp. I will say however that had he got his butt in gear, and ridden that RCV, beaten guys like Redding and Hayden who also were riding it, he could have perhaps achieved a lot in GP, but he decided to take an easier run, walk out on Honda who were perhaps harsh to only offer him that bike (he was not a champion in SBK so perhaps was not top of the pecking order), it worked for guys like Aleix, Petrucci and even Crutchlow to take lesser rides initially, and if anyone here thinks Rea is not as good as any of them who have all won GP's, I would argue they are clueless.
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