Discussion
rid3r said:
Will the H2 be a future classic? Will it retain its value or will the value steadily increase? Obviously with the new top gun film prices are inflated atm but is this temporary? Anyone got one, what are they like?
All old bikes will be classics. Will it be valuable in future? - nobody knows.I rather think the bottom will fall out of the classic car and bike markets in the next 20 years…. As we leave petrol behind and petrolheads die away. First to suffer will be 60s and 70s Triumphs as the age group into them dies away, and the younger petrolheads will be into 80s stuff. Very collectible stuff (Broughs, RC30s, Black Shadows) will probably retain value, but other… I doubt it.
I think my contention could be better articulated, bit hopefully you get the idea!
I think my contention could be better articulated, bit hopefully you get the idea!
Supposedly anything petrol will plummet in value in the next coming years as ICE vehicles are banned and maybe make a comeback some time later in future as classics that you may or may not be able to find fuel for ...so I guess it depends how old you are, how long you can wait and if you actually want to ride it in future.
If you want one, just buy it, enjoy it, and ride it as much as you can
there are a few owners on here if you search there have been discussions
If you want one, just buy it, enjoy it, and ride it as much as you can
there are a few owners on here if you search there have been discussions
bogie said:
Supposedly anything petrol will plummet in value in the next coming years as ICE vehicles are banned and maybe make a comeback some time later in future as classics that you may or may not be able to find fuel for ...so I guess it depends how old you are, how long you can wait and if you actually want to ride it in future.
If you want one, just buy it, enjoy it, and ride it as much as you can
there are a few owners on here if you search there have been discussions
Ice vehicles are not being banned, it is just the sale of new ones. Whilst they may be taxed off the road or fuel will become expensive (maybe) it could make the prices just go up….nobody knows what actually will happen.If you want one, just buy it, enjoy it, and ride it as much as you can
there are a few owners on here if you search there have been discussions
I just the think that the demographic of people interested in classic ICE vehicles is going to dwindle so less demand and therefore less value. I’m guessing, but I imagine there are some very expensive and rare horse and carts out there, but the vast majority have gone as they are difficult to run and the majority of people aren’t interested in them. Don’t want that to happen, and having been looking at T120 Bonnies anyway!
Caddyshack said:
Ice vehicles are not being banned, it is just the sale of new ones. Whilst they may be taxed off the road or fuel will become expensive (maybe) it could make the prices just go up….nobody knows what actually will happen.
Audi are joining formula 1 to progress there research of synthetic fuels. This is good for the ice for such a company under the VW umbrella to publicly say they are developing synthetic fuels. All is not lost just yet. Fingers crossed. FezSpider said:
Audi are joining formula 1 to progress there research of synthetic fuels. This is good for the ice for such a company under the VW umbrella to publicly say they are developing synthetic fuels. All is not lost just yet. Fingers crossed.
Sounds like it could good news then, there could still be hope for ICE vehicles. I always thought the electric thing was just a diversion and not a real solution, its not like we have an excess of cheap, clean electricity to use 
FezSpider said:
Audi are joining formula 1 to progress there research of synthetic fuels. This is good for the ice for such a company under the VW umbrella to publicly say they are developing synthetic fuels. All is not lost just yet. Fingers crossed.
I wouldn't bank on synthetic fuels being used for ordinary cars and VAG group don't need F1 to 'help develop' them, they are hoping F1 will help market what they develop in years to come. Don't forget that VAG pioneered diesel in LeMans cars as a way of marketing their diesel cars, ie, the new S4 is diesel and they have been threatening a diesel R8 for a few years now. All this despite the known health issues with diesel.SteveKTMer said:
I wouldn't bank on synthetic fuels being used for ordinary cars and VAG group don't need F1 to 'help develop' them, they are hoping F1 will help market what they develop in years to come. Don't forget that VAG pioneered diesel in LeMans cars as a way of marketing their diesel cars, ie, the new S4 is diesel and they have been threatening a diesel R8 for a few years now. All this despite the known health issues with diesel.
Sort of the same thing though ‘help them develop’ could just be "help them sell’ the F1 is a good marketing tool as you have pointed out with the Le Mans example.I am hopeful that a synthetic fuel with an ultra efficient "something" mixed with hybrid could give us an ice future. 2 stroke has been muted in a clean version. Maybe a light 4 stroke petrol turbo etc.
OP, assuming you actually want to ride it and not just look at it, best advice I can give you is get an insurance quote first before thinking about anything else.
You have a CBR600 at the mo? If you havent been riding for long, I really think you’ll struggle to get cover, I could only get two quotes and im 54, been riding since 1984….for good reason…its not an easy bike to ride fast in the first instance, let alone the value.
You have a CBR600 at the mo? If you havent been riding for long, I really think you’ll struggle to get cover, I could only get two quotes and im 54, been riding since 1984….for good reason…its not an easy bike to ride fast in the first instance, let alone the value.
podman said:
OP, assuming you actually want to ride it and not just look at it, best advice I can give you is get an insurance quote first before thinking about anything else.
You have a CBR600 at the mo? If you havent been riding for long, I really think you’ll struggle to get cover, I could only get two quotes and im 54, been riding since 1984….for good reason…its not an easy bike to ride fast in the first instance, let alone the value.
Hi Podman, I'd be buying it to ride it, but obviously if it holds value then all the better. Yes I have a cbr600rr at the moment, which I'd hopefully be keeping(couldn't bear to part with that) . I've had it since passing my test in 2011. I've had one quote of £1k from a quick search on comparison website so far... You have a CBR600 at the mo? If you havent been riding for long, I really think you’ll struggle to get cover, I could only get two quotes and im 54, been riding since 1984….for good reason…its not an easy bike to ride fast in the first instance, let alone the value.
rid3r said:
podman said:
OP, assuming you actually want to ride it and not just look at it, best advice I can give you is get an insurance quote first before thinking about anything else.
You have a CBR600 at the mo? If you havent been riding for long, I really think you’ll struggle to get cover, I could only get two quotes and im 54, been riding since 1984….for good reason…its not an easy bike to ride fast in the first instance, let alone the value.
Hi Podman, I'd be buying it to ride it, but obviously if it holds value then all the better. Yes I have a cbr600rr at the moment, which I'd hopefully be keeping(couldn't bear to part with that) . I've had it since passing my test in 2011. I've had one quote of £1k from a quick search on comparison website so far... You have a CBR600 at the mo? If you havent been riding for long, I really think you’ll struggle to get cover, I could only get two quotes and im 54, been riding since 1984….for good reason…its not an easy bike to ride fast in the first instance, let alone the value.
I partly bought the bike because I wanted to expierence one before we do actually lose access to fossil fuels, at the moment, you cannot order a new H2 in the UK and that may not change as in its current format , it wont pass the latest emissions tests.
That aside, if you do get one, when you crack it open and hear the supercharger fluttering away up and down the revs, you’ll be having to much fun to be worried about its future value.
If you can stretch to it, id recommend one…
podman said:
Have a search from the posts under my name, you’ll find answers to the questions you ask including the future value query from a few owners on pistonheads.
I partly bought the bike because I wanted to expierence one before we do actually lose access to fossil fuels, at the moment, you cannot order a new H2 in the UK and that may not change as in its current format , it wont pass the latest emissions tests.
That aside, if you do get one, when you crack it open and hear the supercharger fluttering away up and down the revs, you’ll be having to much fun to be worried about its future value.
If you can stretch to it, id recommend one…
Thanks very much for your advice and help 👍I partly bought the bike because I wanted to expierence one before we do actually lose access to fossil fuels, at the moment, you cannot order a new H2 in the UK and that may not change as in its current format , it wont pass the latest emissions tests.
That aside, if you do get one, when you crack it open and hear the supercharger fluttering away up and down the revs, you’ll be having to much fun to be worried about its future value.
If you can stretch to it, id recommend one…
ThreadKiller said:
I rather think the bottom will fall out of the classic car and bike markets in the next 20 years…. As we leave petrol behind and petrolheads die away. First to suffer will be 60s and 70s Triumphs as the age group into them dies away, and the younger petrolheads will be into 80s stuff. Very collectible stuff (Broughs, RC30s, Black Shadows) will probably retain value, but other… I doubt it.
I think my contention could be better articulated, bit hopefully you get the idea!
I disagree. Values of really old (proper vintage, ie pre-31) bikes is holding steady and if anything increasing for everything. There's nobody still riding that lusted after a 1914 AJS when they were even vaguely new, but you'll pay more for one this year than you did 5 years ago.I think my contention could be better articulated, bit hopefully you get the idea!
I do agree that some of the more common 50s/60s stuff will depreciate but I think that's more to do with a) a bit of artificial inflation on prices brought on by nostalgia and b) there's so many of them!
I don't see there being any real issues as far as petrol goes now. Almost all the club runs we do on the vintage bikes people travel to the event with a bike in a van (as main roads riding isn't much fun and events are rarely that local) and as they all have really small fuel tanks most carry additional fuel already. Or the backup truck does. If a gallon costs an extra £20 but your bike does 100 miles per gallon and the run is 80 miles, I doubt many people will give up the hobby for that.
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