Centre line of the road is not a good apex

Centre line of the road is not a good apex

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911hope

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3,260 posts

32 months

Saturday 27th August 2022
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On a few occasions recently, I've experienced bikers using the centre line as an apex for their cornering. While they may be proud of their precise wheel placement, they forget that their head is 2-3 feet on the wrong side of the road. That is where the oncoming vehicles may well be.

One one occasion driving up the Holme Moss road from the Glossop side, a biker did exactly this coming down at speed. Luckily for him and me, I saw his line in advance and did an emergency stop so I was not in the space that his head was heading into. This undoubtedly saved his life and probably mine.

I could see him well before he entered the corner, so he should have been able to see me. I can only imagine he was only looking at his line and nothing else mattered.

His mate following saw the whole thing and stopped to apologise for him and to acknowledge that he had been saved. Promised to "advise" his friend about his riding.




Edited by 911hope on Tuesday 30th August 17:11

carinaman

21,870 posts

178 months

Sunday 28th August 2022
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I saw somewhere online, possibly PH, that the French have started putting painted hatching on roads around corners to try to deter motorcyclists leaning over the centre line and scaring oncoming drivers.

bgunn

1,447 posts

137 months

Sunday 28th August 2022
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911hope said:
On a few occasions recently, I've experienced bikers using the centre line as an apex for their cornering. While they may be proud of their precise wheel placement, they forget that their head is 2-3 feet on the wrong side of the road. That is where the oncoming vehicles may well be.

One one occasion driving up the Holme Moss road from the Buxton side, a biker did exactly this coming down at speed. Luckily for him and me, I saw his line in advance and did an emergency stop so I was not in the space that his head was heading into. This undoubtedly saved his life and probably mine.

I could see him well before he entered the corner, so he should have been able to see me. I can only imagine he was only looking at his line and nothing else mattered.

His mate following saw the whole thing and stopped to apologise for him and to acknowledge that he had been saved. Promised to "advise" his friend about his riding.
Good for you beer

Thanks for the lesson.

Drawweight

3,058 posts

122 months

Sunday 28th August 2022
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Following an ex police rider on one of our bike club evening runs.

On every right hand corner the bike sat about 2 feet from the n/side edge and never deviated a bit no matter how fast/slow or if the corner tightened up.

You mate needs to go back to the very basics.

LimaDelta

6,885 posts

224 months

Sunday 28th August 2022
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911hope said:
On a few occasions recently, I've experienced bikers using the centre line as an apex for their cornering. While they may be proud of their precise wheel placement, they forget that their head is 2-3 feet on the wrong side of the road. That is where the oncoming vehicles may well be.

One one occasion driving up the Holme Moss road from the Buxton side, a biker did exactly this coming down at speed. Luckily for him and me, I saw his line in advance and did an emergency stop so I was not in the space that his head was heading into. This undoubtedly saved his life and probably mine.

I could see him well before he entered the corner, so he should have been able to see me. I can only imagine he was only looking at his line and nothing else mattered.

His mate following saw the whole thing and stopped to apologise for him and to acknowledge that he had been saved. Promised to "advise" his friend about his riding.
The road out of our village was closed for several hours a couple of days back for this very type of accident. Given the length of the closure I assume it was fatal.

airsafari87

2,812 posts

188 months

Sunday 28th August 2022
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Thank you for your service.

black-k1

12,135 posts

235 months

Sunday 28th August 2022
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While we all make mistakes and get things wrong at times I'd suggest this type of event is often the result of riders not understanding the difference between race/track cornering techniques and road cornering techniques.

Well done to the OP for avoiding being part of another statistic.

andy tims

5,593 posts

252 months

Sunday 28th August 2022
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Unless the corner is well sighted, I stay left on right handers and right on left handers to give me the best view through the corner. This is what I was taught by Rapid Training. Apex hunting is best saved for the track.

Tribal Chestnut

3,001 posts

188 months

Sunday 28th August 2022
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I can never hit an apex on track, never mind the road!

Disastrous

10,128 posts

223 months

Monday 29th August 2022
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911hope said:
His mate following saw the whole thing and stopped to apologise for him and to acknowledge that he had been saved. Promised to "advise" his friend about his riding.
Didn’t happen.

dibblecorse

6,943 posts

198 months

Monday 29th August 2022
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Disastrous said:
911hope said:
His mate following saw the whole thing and stopped to apologise for him and to acknowledge that he had been saved. Promised to "advise" his friend about his riding.
Didn’t happen.
Saved me typing it !!!!

joema

2,684 posts

185 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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Why is OP so far from the Apex on his side of the road?

HybridTheory

465 posts

38 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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Drawweight said:
Following an ex police rider on one of our bike club evening runs.

On every right hand corner the bike sat about 2 feet from the n/side edge and never deviated a bit no matter how fast/slow or if the corner tightened up.

You mate needs to go back to the very basics.
When I did my bike safe they ride the bike like cyclists so close to the kerb

anonymous-user

60 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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HybridTheory said:
When I did my bike safe they ride the bike like cyclists so close to the kerb
I'm a seasoned countryside biker and I usually favour riding in the hedge on narrow bendy B roads, as cars, lorries and agricultural traffic is almost invariably on my side of the road. Yes its no fun, but preferable to having a head on collision with any of the above.

tafkattn

166 posts

27 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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HybridTheory said:
When I did my bike safe they ride the bike like cyclists so close to the kerb
On right-handers maybe, for left-handers, they'd move out toward the centre line, even onto the wrong side of the road if safe to do so.

i.e. they try to be as far out to the outside of a turn as safely possible, to maximise their view through the turn.

911hope

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3,260 posts

32 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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Disastrous said:
911hope said:
His mate following saw the whole thing and stopped to apologise for him and to acknowledge that he had been saved. Promised to "advise" his friend about his riding.
Didn’t happen.
Seems odd that you don't think someone would be concerned about his mate nearly killing himself.

There are plenty of decent people out there.

RazerSauber

2,465 posts

66 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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I did my CBT the other weekend again. The other fella doing it with me was very up front about going into full bike lessons with a view to his Mods 1 & 2 so the instructor gave us a CBT with extra guidance to get us into good habits. On right hand bends, he advised moving slightly left of the centre of the lane so leaning over poses less threat to having your head hit something coming towards you. He also advised staying so close to the line puts your head and shoulders over the line, resulting in a Mod 2 fail. I've become very conscious of that since hearing it.

bgunn

1,447 posts

137 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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anonymous said:
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Are you saying my reply is pointless? wink

Disastrous

10,128 posts

223 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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911hope said:
Disastrous said:
911hope said:
His mate following saw the whole thing and stopped to apologise for him and to acknowledge that he had been saved. Promised to "advise" his friend about his riding.
Didn’t happen.
Seems odd that you don't think someone would be concerned about his mate nearly killing himself.

There are plenty of decent people out there.
Still didn’t happen.

Why make this up??

You sound like one of those LinkedIn posts: “…and everyone else in the supermarket erupted in a round of applause. So proud of my son”

No they didn’t.

creampuff

6,511 posts

149 months

Tuesday 30th August 2022
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Can't remember who it was I was talking to about this subject, but it must have been a bike copper.

Said when he collects a decapitated head off the verge, this is the cause.