Bicyclists - interesting?
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And exactly who’s going to be pulling over all these cyclists that are breaking the law? Thousands of illegal cars bikes lorries electric scooters etc that go unpunished on a daily basis as the police just turn a blind eye so can’t see them chasing cyclists that aren’t displaying a number plate.
The police could easily stop cyclists now if they see them doing something dangerous. A number plate makes no difference.
I have a bike which I ride occasionally and only for recreation and exercise. Where I live we are lucky to have plenty of cycle lanes and paths so you rarely need to go on road. If I were made to pay for registration and insurance then sadly I would just give up riding it.
I have a bike which I ride occasionally and only for recreation and exercise. Where I live we are lucky to have plenty of cycle lanes and paths so you rarely need to go on road. If I were made to pay for registration and insurance then sadly I would just give up riding it.
The official DfT reply to the last petition to have number plates etc
The Government has no plans to introduce any such requirements for cyclists. The current trials of rental e-scooters will inform future policy on them.The Government considers that the costs of a formal registration system for cycle ownership would outweigh the benefits. The safety case for such a system is not as strong as that for drivers since, by contrast with motorised vehicles, cycles involved in collisions on the highway are highly unlikely to cause serious injury to other road users
The Government has no plans to introduce any such requirements for cyclists. The current trials of rental e-scooters will inform future policy on them.The Government considers that the costs of a formal registration system for cycle ownership would outweigh the benefits. The safety case for such a system is not as strong as that for drivers since, by contrast with motorised vehicles, cycles involved in collisions on the highway are highly unlikely to cause serious injury to other road users
Edited by giantdefy on Wednesday 17th August 09:08
Where is it that people get the idea from that the best approach to stopping people breaking 1 law is to introduce another? If cyclists are breaking the existing laws then the answer, surely, is to enforce the existing laws.
The worry is that there are often enough people who buy into this that it gets traction.
The worry is that there are often enough people who buy into this that it gets traction.
It is so easy for politicians to spout this bulls
t rhetoric.
It is so rare for a cyclist to kill someone (while riding) that it is a lot of effort to create a law that covers such a rare event especially when we already have convictions and sentencing which doesn’t seem out of kilter with sentencing for motorists : https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/regiona...
spoiler: cycling on the pavement got 12 months;
Van driver kills motorcyclist: https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/latest-news/van... Inconsiderate or careless driving. Community service and a driving ban
Caveat : The 1st 2 google results i got rather than data being truly representative of sentencing. Sentencing seems wildly inconsistent and inappropriate at times to me so I’ve no issue with providing courts with more sentencing powers - I’d like them to use the ones they have already though.
There are so many reasons that licensing and speeding would be impossible to implement: You’d need to retrospectively licence >20M bicycles in the UK, many owned by children and you would need to have them all fitted with some form of type approved speedometer.
Looking forward to another anti-cyclist bingo thread…
t rhetoric. It is so rare for a cyclist to kill someone (while riding) that it is a lot of effort to create a law that covers such a rare event especially when we already have convictions and sentencing which doesn’t seem out of kilter with sentencing for motorists : https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/regiona...
spoiler: cycling on the pavement got 12 months;
Van driver kills motorcyclist: https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/latest-news/van... Inconsiderate or careless driving. Community service and a driving ban
Caveat : The 1st 2 google results i got rather than data being truly representative of sentencing. Sentencing seems wildly inconsistent and inappropriate at times to me so I’ve no issue with providing courts with more sentencing powers - I’d like them to use the ones they have already though.
There are so many reasons that licensing and speeding would be impossible to implement: You’d need to retrospectively licence >20M bicycles in the UK, many owned by children and you would need to have them all fitted with some form of type approved speedometer.
Looking forward to another anti-cyclist bingo thread…
Edited by MDUBZ on Wednesday 17th August 12:07
black-k1 said:
Where is it that people get the idea from that the best approach to stopping people breaking 1 law is to introduce another? If cyclists are breaking the existing laws then the answer, surely, is to enforce the existing laws.
The worry is that there are often enough people who buy into this that it gets traction.
Exactly. Registering bicycles is one of the dumbest ideas ever, which is probably why there are almost zero places where there is bicycle registration. The worry is that there are often enough people who buy into this that it gets traction.
There are plenty of existing laws. Lack of laws is not the problem.
ChrisH72 said:
The police could easily stop cyclists now if they see them doing something dangerous. A number plate makes no difference.
But, camera enforcement, the panacea for all crime.There's no appetite for more actual Policing, that involves money, effort, know-how and courage - far easier to take the lazy, automated approach.
But I doubt it will happen and even if it does I'll not be fitting no. plates on my bicycles.
catso said:
ChrisH72 said:
The police could easily stop cyclists now if they see them doing something dangerous. A number plate makes no difference.
But, camera enforcement, the panacea for all crime.There's no appetite for more actual Policing, that involves money, effort, know-how and courage - far easier to take the lazy, automated approach.
But I doubt it will happen and even if it does I'll not be fitting no. plates on my bicycles.
"You are required by law to provide the details of the rider of a pink Barbie bicycle seen riding on the pavement on the night of the 32nd of August"
I possibly commit more offences when I am on my push bike than in my car or riding a motorcycle.
Earlier this month I used a cycle lane going in the opposite direction to the flow of traffic, but it was for less than 200 metres and I only encountered one other cyclist going in the opposite direction and our paths weren't on a closing trajectory as they were going around a parked car and I was cycling towards the front of the car. The cycle lane was empty, nobody was using it and I wasn't using the pavement which was also empty.
I suppose I may break 30MPH for short bursts when going downhill. I had some nice lacerations on my arm last week from brushing bramble bushes while hurtling downhill.
I don't cycle to create conflict or ride with a camera so when I've been in the way of cars on a steep hill with parked cars I've stopped and paused to allow them to pass. I don't Strava and I wasn't in a rush to be anywhere.
It wouldn't matter which particular political party Grant Shapps was a member of he'd still be a Chrysler Crossfire buying alias using Get Rich Quick scam marketeer. I am not sure if my positive thoughts about Kemi Baddenoch are enough to negate my dislike and distrust of Shapps.
Isn't it the usual divide and conquer "look over there" bks from an elected representative?
Shapps going for easy low hanging crowd pleasing political brownie points?
Earlier this month I used a cycle lane going in the opposite direction to the flow of traffic, but it was for less than 200 metres and I only encountered one other cyclist going in the opposite direction and our paths weren't on a closing trajectory as they were going around a parked car and I was cycling towards the front of the car. The cycle lane was empty, nobody was using it and I wasn't using the pavement which was also empty.
I suppose I may break 30MPH for short bursts when going downhill. I had some nice lacerations on my arm last week from brushing bramble bushes while hurtling downhill.
I don't cycle to create conflict or ride with a camera so when I've been in the way of cars on a steep hill with parked cars I've stopped and paused to allow them to pass. I don't Strava and I wasn't in a rush to be anywhere.
It wouldn't matter which particular political party Grant Shapps was a member of he'd still be a Chrysler Crossfire buying alias using Get Rich Quick scam marketeer. I am not sure if my positive thoughts about Kemi Baddenoch are enough to negate my dislike and distrust of Shapps.
Isn't it the usual divide and conquer "look over there" b
ks from an elected representative? Shapps going for easy low hanging crowd pleasing political brownie points?
Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 17th August 16:13
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