20 and 30mph rural road limits. This'll kill biking!
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This has been around for years under one guise or another. Once one council goes ahead, the pressure will be on for the rest to follow and not be seen to be 'unsafe'. Not sure how it will be policed until we all have mandatory speed limiters in our vehicles.
The Surrey Hills prioritise visiting cyclists over all else and I'm sure this will spread. I recently completed a consultation from Hampshire about speed limits, so it was a rare opportunity to have a voice as a resident of the South Downs Park.
The Surrey Hills prioritise visiting cyclists over all else and I'm sure this will spread. I recently completed a consultation from Hampshire about speed limits, so it was a rare opportunity to have a voice as a resident of the South Downs Park.
That's going to cause massive congestion and where there is a mix of traffic adhering to the limit and some not, will increase the risk to road users. It will take a generation for everybody to get used to 30 rather than 40-50 which is common now and there are bigger and more important issues to address in the meantime.
Typical politicians, fond of their own voices, with nothing much to do, inventing headline grabbing policies for their own aggrandisement and gratification.
Typical politicians, fond of their own voices, with nothing much to do, inventing headline grabbing policies for their own aggrandisement and gratification.
Like many, I already have my favorite roads where I can have fun safely. I also ride on slightly less fun roads, often as a requirement to get to the fun roads or because I commuting etc.Whie I have a flexible interpretation of the existing limits, I rarely venture more than about 25mph over the limit so, if/when I'm caught, (not often I accept, but it does happen) I can expect a fine and some points, but will still be able to get around.
With a 30 limit on rural roads, I'll be travelling no faster than now, but at speeds that mean if I get caught, it'll be more than 30mph over the posted limit and that has the very real potential to result in an instant ban.
One small area doing this is not going to have a huge impact on biking but this will likely spread as there are easily enough people who believe that safety is only ever measured on the speedo, and who will feel not enough is being done if their local area doesn't adopt the same approach.
With a 30 limit on rural roads, I'll be travelling no faster than now, but at speeds that mean if I get caught, it'll be more than 30mph over the posted limit and that has the very real potential to result in an instant ban.
One small area doing this is not going to have a huge impact on biking but this will likely spread as there are easily enough people who believe that safety is only ever measured on the speedo, and who will feel not enough is being done if their local area doesn't adopt the same approach.
black-k1 said:
While I have a flexible interpretation of the existing limits, I rarely venture more than about 25mph over the limit so, if/when I'm caught, (not often I accept, but it does happen) I can expect a fine and some points, but will still be able to get around.
With a 30 limit on rural roads, I'll be travelling no faster than now, but at speeds that mean if I get caught, it'll be more than 30mph over the posted limit and that has the very real potential to result in an instant ban.
Very much this. With a 30 limit on rural roads, I'll be travelling no faster than now, but at speeds that mean if I get caught, it'll be more than 30mph over the posted limit and that has the very real potential to result in an instant ban.
When a 60mph road is good fun, safe, flowing, respectful of other road users and slightly (3 points) illegal at 70mph, it is highly tempting to adopt the “hung for sheep as a lamb” approach and go bats
t fast when its downgraded to a 50 or 40 limit. The sheer stupidity of the people who propose crap like this cannot be overstated.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/07/pilot-...
Councillor Stuart McLachlan said rural roads in his Capel parish council in Surrey needed to be made safer urgently. “There are scrambler bikes roaring up and down at 60mph and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We also get joyriders in 4x4s coming at midnight, charging up and down the byways,” he told The Sunday Times. “They come in the winter, when it’s all muddy, and after dark. They buy an old banger for £50, run it into the ground and just set fire to it.”
So what you're saying, you plank, is that you believe that criminals, who are currently breaking the law with impunity (no tax, no insurance, unroadworthy, probably stolen, vehicles), will be so terrified of a speeding ticket that they will instantly stop their nefarious activities.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/07/pilot-...
Councillor Stuart McLachlan said rural roads in his Capel parish council in Surrey needed to be made safer urgently. “There are scrambler bikes roaring up and down at 60mph and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We also get joyriders in 4x4s coming at midnight, charging up and down the byways,” he told The Sunday Times. “They come in the winter, when it’s all muddy, and after dark. They buy an old banger for £50, run it into the ground and just set fire to it.”
So what you're saying, you plank, is that you believe that criminals, who are currently breaking the law with impunity (no tax, no insurance, unroadworthy, probably stolen, vehicles), will be so terrified of a speeding ticket that they will instantly stop their nefarious activities.
gareth_r said:
The sheer stupidity of the people who propose crap like this cannot be overstated.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/07/pilot-...
Councillor Stuart McLachlan said rural roads in his Capel parish council in Surrey needed to be made safer urgently. “There are scrambler bikes roaring up and down at 60mph and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We also get joyriders in 4x4s coming at midnight, charging up and down the byways,” he told The Sunday Times. “They come in the winter, when it’s all muddy, and after dark. They buy an old banger for £50, run it into the ground and just set fire to it.”
So what you're saying, you plank, is that you believe that criminals, who are currently breaking the law with impunity (no tax, no insurance, unroadworthy, probably stolen, vehicles), will be so terrified of a speeding ticket that they will instantly stop their nefarious activities.
What an absolute cretin.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/07/pilot-...
Councillor Stuart McLachlan said rural roads in his Capel parish council in Surrey needed to be made safer urgently. “There are scrambler bikes roaring up and down at 60mph and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We also get joyriders in 4x4s coming at midnight, charging up and down the byways,” he told The Sunday Times. “They come in the winter, when it’s all muddy, and after dark. They buy an old banger for £50, run it into the ground and just set fire to it.”
So what you're saying, you plank, is that you believe that criminals, who are currently breaking the law with impunity (no tax, no insurance, unroadworthy, probably stolen, vehicles), will be so terrified of a speeding ticket that they will instantly stop their nefarious activities.
Shame really as I quite like the A25 on a bike, don’t really bother with it much nowadays anyway, the whole area going cyclist mad,the average speed cameras near box hill and the constant police initiatives throughout the area just make it really unattractive to visit on a bike.
They’ve made all the green lanes completely s
t around there now too so don’t know why anyone would bother with them in a 4x4 either.Why all the outcry?
It's just another reduced speed limit that many will ignore, get caught, get fined, bh and moan about getting caught with cries of "It's not fair" but quite prepared to take the risk again and again so they can write another cheque to the powers that be.
Rinse and repeat
It's just another reduced speed limit that many will ignore, get caught, get fined, b
h and moan about getting caught with cries of "It's not fair" but quite prepared to take the risk again and again so they can write another cheque to the powers that be.Rinse and repeat
NMNeil said:
Why all the outcry?
It's just another reduced speed limit that many will ignore, get caught, get fined, bh and moan about getting caught with cries of "It's not fair" but quite prepared to take the risk again and again so they can write another cheque to the powers that be.
Rinse and repeat
I really hope I've missed the sarcasm in the "why all the outcry" bit.......It's just another reduced speed limit that many will ignore, get caught, get fined, b
h and moan about getting caught with cries of "It's not fair" but quite prepared to take the risk again and again so they can write another cheque to the powers that be.Rinse and repeat
I can see this working in some areas. However, I live on the East Sussex coast and we don't have proper roads, so all roads tend to be busy, even what they'd describe as rural. As there's few local jobs everyone uses these "rural" roads to commute the 20-40 miles most have to travel for work. Not only will there be an outcry when getting to work takes so much longer, the resultant loss of house sales when commute times increase will have the developers up in arms. For example, Wealden builds nearly all of its houses near the coast as far from jobs as possible, and planners get permission as they obviously have the council in their pockets. As that's the case how does the council crash that market by increasing commute times without comebacks....... So if the local councils get the say on whether these limits reduce they won't be reducing in many outer commuter belt areas I'd be willing to bet!
Donbot said:
Surely it makes biking the better option as it is easier to overtake . . .
Mostly double whites in the middle so that counts me out overtaking. I just don't see the point in why they've done this. Must really hate motorists, etc. Although I would laugh if the first people done for speeding are the ones who implemented these very low limits.
NMNeil said:
Why all the outcry?
It's just another reduced speed limit that many will ignore, get caught, get fined, bh and moan about getting caught with cries of "It's not fair" but quite prepared to take the risk again and again so they can write another cheque to the powers that be.
Rinse and repeat
Because even the slow riders will get a ban rather than pointsIt's just another reduced speed limit that many will ignore, get caught, get fined, b
h and moan about getting caught with cries of "It's not fair" but quite prepared to take the risk again and again so they can write another cheque to the powers that be.Rinse and repeat
Iamnotkloot said:
NMNeil said:
Why all the outcry?
It's just another reduced speed limit that many will ignore, get caught, get fined, bh and moan about getting caught with cries of "It's not fair" but quite prepared to take the risk again and again so they can write another cheque to the powers that be.
Rinse and repeat
I really hope I've missed the sarcasm in the "why all the outcry" bit.......It's just another reduced speed limit that many will ignore, get caught, get fined, b
h and moan about getting caught with cries of "It's not fair" but quite prepared to take the risk again and again so they can write another cheque to the powers that be.Rinse and repeat
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