GSX-R1000R Phantom

[blade7]

Thought about getting another GSX-R, until I saw they're £17600 now. That's BMW S1000RR money, and judging by the road tests, the BMW is a much better bike. I wonder if Suzuki have thrown in the towel with the GSX-R now, and won't be updating it.

[Krikkit]

I can't decide if Suzuki's exit from MotoGP means they're giving up on sports bikes again, or funnelling the money they've saved into a big development push on their range.

Either way, yeah, can't see the point in a new GSXR unless you're an absolute die-hard fan.

[Birky_41]

Wait for a deal on them. I got mine at the time for about 13k if I recall with a grands worth of Moto GP looking accessories

At the time the retail was something like 17,495

They are a great bike for 13k but if I was budgeting 18k I'd have the beemer

[blade7]

Birky_41 said:

Wait for a deal on them. I got mine at the time for about 13k if I recall with a grands worth of Moto GP looking accessories

At the time the retail was something like 17,495

They are a great bike for 13k but if I was budgeting 18k I'd have the beemer

The lowest I could find a year ago was £14k, for pre registered bikes. What attracts me to the Suzuki is you rarely hear of engine problems, and there seems to be less flannel from the dealers too. Guess I'll wait and see what happens over the next 3 or 4 months.

[Marquezs Stabilisers]

Suzuki always have some sort of finance option on in the autumn as well.

I think they have sacked off MotoGP as they reckon the R&D money will be better spent on vehicles that don't have internal combustion engines. I think MotoGP's synthetic fuels approach is a blind alley - burning hydrocarbon fuels still generates CO2.

[Darkslider]

Marquezs Stabilisers said:

Suzuki always have some sort of finance option on in the autumn as well.

I think they have sacked off MotoGP as they reckon the R&D money will be better spent on vehicles that don't have internal combustion engines. I think MotoGP's synthetic fuels approach is a blind alley - burning hydrocarbon fuels still generates CO2.

I think I saw an advert on Facebook just now saying the Phantom (and a few other models not including the base gsxr 1000) had a 0% deal on?

I'm not in the market for a new thou but if I was I can't see the phantoms premium being worth it. I guess this opinion is being reflected elsewhere hence the finance deals?

[Birky_41]

anonymous said:

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If I chop my GSXR that'll be my next one right the factory model. For now the GSXR has been so good I'll just give it an MSG refresh

[snagzie]

Marquezs Stabilisers said:

I think they have sacked off MotoGP as they reckon the R&D money will be better spent on vehicles that don't have internal combustion engines. I think MotoGP's synthetic fuels approach is a blind alley - burning hydrocarbon fuels still generates CO2.

From what I understand, it doesn't "generate" CO2, just releases the CO2 that was captured during the creation of it.

[Yazza54]

snagzie said:

Marquezs Stabilisers said:

I think they have sacked off MotoGP as they reckon the R&D money will be better spent on vehicles that don't have internal combustion engines. I think MotoGP's synthetic fuels approach is a blind alley - burning hydrocarbon fuels still generates CO2.

From what I understand, it doesn't "generate" CO2, just releases the CO2 that was captured during the creation of it.

That's my understanding too

[blade7]

Birky_41 said:

If I chop my GSXR that'll be my next one right the factory model. For now the GSXR has been so good I'll just give it an MSG refresh

What's the issue with the GSX-R brakes, is it the ABS?

[podman]

If you can, id hold off until the end of the year, there may be some bargains to be had if Suzuki cant/wont make it Euro 5 compliant.

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-vie...

[Birky_41]

Yazza54 said:

snagzie said:

Marquezs Stabilisers said:

I think they have sacked off MotoGP as they reckon the R&D money will be better spent on vehicles that don't have internal combustion engines. I think MotoGP's synthetic fuels approach is a blind alley - burning hydrocarbon fuels still generates CO2.

From what I understand, it doesn't "generate" CO2, just releases the CO2 that was captured during the creation of it.

That's my understanding too

And mine - I work in the motor trade and it's how the manufacturer explains it

[Birky_41]

blade7 said:

What's the issue with the GSX-R brakes, is it the ABS?

From stock yes if you start riding it hard on road or track. If you're really smooth you can kinda manage it but the abs kicks in much more than the better Italian bikes I can compare with

When it kicks in it tries to partly release the lever and it's a scary feeling at times. The actual discs, the calipers, braided lines are all good

I personally run mine on track so changed to a brembo RCS19 and a more track focused set of pads. Been excellent with very little fade and very good feedback but I removed the ABS and have the lines straight from the caliper to master for a better feel so I don't get that spongy squeeze which happens when they get hot

[Yazza54]

anonymous said:

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Sounds like pad knockback, never fun

[rodericb]

Aren't superbike sales pretty much falling through the floor and the average age of buyers is increasing? In ten years there may not even be the people around who would buy these things so they'll become extinct anyway. Then there's the matter of the minuscule amounts of distance these bikes cover. God, I reckon a plane load of holiday makers off to the Costa del Sunburn would output more pollution in one flight than all of the superbikes sold in the next five years.

[snagzie]

rodericb said:

Aren't superbike sales pretty much falling through the floor and the average age of buyers is increasing? In ten years there may not even be the people around who would buy these things so they'll become extinct anyway. Then there's the matter of the minuscule amounts of distance these bikes cover. God, I reckon a plane load of holiday makers off to the Costa del Sunburn would output more pollution in one flight than all of the superbikes sold in the next five years.

I've just asked the MCIA for their historic dataset to try and create some kind of free-for-all dashboard to establish this kind of information as its difficult with their monthly PDF files.

(I work in Business Intelligence so bikes and data is kind of my nerdy thing haha)

[trickywoo]

snagzie said:

I've just asked the MCIA for their historic dataset to try and create some kind of free-for-all dashboard to establish this kind of information as its difficult with their monthly PDF files.

(I work in Business Intelligence so bikes and data is kind of my nerdy thing haha)

Thanks, will be interesting to see.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Suzuki had only sold single digit gsxr 1000 so far this year in the UK.

I suspect they sell a lot in the US though.

[Drawweight]

In our small club there might be a dozen bikes on a good club run. One guy has a new Fireblade and one has a zx10r (and even he turned up on a Tiger Sport last week)

The rest are a motley collection of KTM’s, adventure bikes, MT07’s etc.

Everyone has a great time, we don’t hang about on the A/B roads we use. However the super sports bikes aren’t going to be used to anything like their potential.

The one common denominator in the club is we’re all getting older. Comfort now comes before performance.

[blade7]

podman said:

If you can, id hold off until the end of the year, there may be some bargains to be had if Suzuki cant/wont make it Euro 5 compliant.

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-vie...

Not an issue to wait, I usually buy around the end of the season anyway. And if one doesn't turn up for a sensible price, I'll consider something else next year.

[jjones]

These statistics are quite interesting:
https://www.mcia.co.uk/press-statistics
Doesn't quite have the level of detail needed to see individual registrations - shame the underlying data isn't available.