Foot down?

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griffter

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4,023 posts

261 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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Disclaimer: I am not a biker

But I happened to watch the Estoril Superbikes this morning. Why do some riders put their inside foot down when braking for a corner? I used to do this on my BMX but I’d have thought it would destabilise a superbike under braking.

Just curious…


bogie

16,568 posts

278 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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There are a few theories:

Lowers the center of gravity while braking
Moves more weight to the rear of the bike
Improves the body position of the rider and make the rider more planted
Increases aerodynamic drag and acts like an airbrake

from here
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/sylvain-gu...

Waynester

6,418 posts

256 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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Wasn’t Valentino one of the first to adopt this trailing leg style?

marksx

5,093 posts

196 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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Waynester said:
Wasn’t Valentino one of the first to adopt this trailing leg style?
The doctor's dangle

Rubin215

4,085 posts

162 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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It's to make sure they don't panic-brake with the rear when they are halfway round the corner.

On the other side its to make sure they don't change up a gear before the apex.

Honest.

ThreadKiller

397 posts

101 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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I think it should be banned. It looks very inelegant and upsets my disposition.

bogie

16,568 posts

278 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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Waynester said:
Wasn’t Valentino one of the first to adopt this trailing leg style?
yeah, and my theory is that he started doing it for some reason, maybe just felt right, getting a stretch and reposition foot before a turn. Of course he was faster than everyone else, so the other guys start to copy ...whether or not there is a measurable difference in lap time i dont know smile

lukeyman

1,025 posts

141 months

Saturday 28th May 2022
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bogie said:
Waynester said:
Wasn’t Valentino one of the first to adopt this trailing leg style?
yeah, and my theory is that he started doing it for some reason, maybe just felt right, getting a stretch and reposition foot before a turn. Of course he was faster than everyone else, so the other guys start to copy ...whether or not there is a measurable difference in lap time i dont know smile
Pretty much.

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-vie...

poo at Paul's

14,314 posts

181 months

Sunday 29th May 2022
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It also helps discourage a few dives up the inside.

SteelerSE

1,931 posts

162 months

Monday 30th May 2022
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poo at Paul's said:
It also helps discourage a few dives up the inside.
This was my thinking. Some of the guys really kick the leg out - if you're aware that the rider in front does that on every corner you're not going to put your bike there.

Higgs boson

1,102 posts

159 months

Monday 30th May 2022
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poo at Paul's said:
It also helps discourage a few dives up the inside.
Leon Haslam's the king of that type of discouragement - his leg is almost parallel to the ground!

griffter

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261 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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Thanks for the replies (and apologies for not acknowledging sooner - been away without WiFi). Very interesting! Glad I asked thumbup

rev-erend

21,516 posts

290 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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I agree with the other guys here, it's all about making your bike look wider than it is approaching a corner. I too think it should be banned as it discourages racing and is dangerous if another rider decides to play chicken and fill that gap although in reality they just move their leg. Racing would be better without it for sure.

Tango13

8,839 posts

182 months

Sunday 5th June 2022
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Higgs boson said:
poo at Paul's said:
It also helps discourage a few dives up the inside.
Leon Haslam's the king of that type of discouragement - his leg is almost parallel to the ground!
Leon Haslam at Cadwell park 2018 was my first thought when I saw the thread title hehe

Carlososos

976 posts

102 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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griffter said:
Disclaimer: I am not a biker

But I happened to watch the Estoril Superbikes this morning. Why do some riders put their inside foot down when braking for a corner? I used to do this on my BMX but I’d have thought it would destabilise a superbike under braking.

Just curious…

Straight up balance and/or weight balance. Just like your do when you stretch your arms out walking a very thin line like a tightrope.

SteelerSE

1,931 posts

162 months

Wednesday 15th June 2022
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This is from Mat Oxley's interview with Miguel Oliveira and describes exactly why.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorc...

What about the leg dangle? Your team-mate Brad Binder told me recently that when he takes a leg off the footpeg it puts more force into that arm and therefore into that handlebar, which helps him counter-steer into the corner, so why do you use the dangle?

MO: For example, if you are sitting static on the bike and braking, just raising your upper body when you brake and staying in the centre of the bike, you will have a lot of pitching, so you won’t have a lot of contact between the rear tyre and the track, so you won’t be able to brake with the rear so much.

What the leg dangle does is pull your body mass to the front, then you start moving your body. Let’s not consider the leg to start with… so you shift your body into the corner without dangling your leg. This is what Fabio [Quartararo] does – he positions himself towards the inside of the bike, so his body mass is already hanging off the inside side of the bike.

Then if you take your leg off the footpeg you lower your hip and also your leg is closer to the ground, so you further lower the overall centre of gravity, so that more or less explains why riders dangle the leg.