Hampshire Loop average speed cameras
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I see this is going ahead this year on the A32 and A272. I noticed that they have already installed a noise camera on the A272 a while ago.
https://meonvalleytimes.co.uk/new-average-speed-ca...
https://meonvalleytimes.co.uk/new-average-speed-ca...
We took a ride out that way to Loomies for the first time last year and up to Box Hill, where I used to head to in the late 80s/early 90s, ive never seen such a heavy police presence on these roads and targeting of motorcyclists, lovely roads but not a journey any of us would repeat again.
It was inevitable. I live local to the A272 and use the road as my commute. The locals are understandably fed up with every decent evening being treated to straight through pipes and brain-out head-on overtakes; being a biker is cringeworthy sometimes. The real PITA is that these will be enforcing 50 mph limits 24/7, introduced as an earlier attempt to quell the crap riding.
bsidethecside said:
It was inevitable. I live local to the A272 and use the road as my commute. The locals are understandably fed up with every decent evening being treated to straight through pipes and brain-out head-on overtakes; being a biker is cringeworthy sometimes. The real PITA is that these will be enforcing 50 mph limits 24/7, introduced as an earlier attempt to quell the crap riding.
I feel sorry for the residents on these roads.I've not used those roads on a motorcycle but have used the A272 in a car I think to head east from the M3 to get to somewhere north of Brighton.
Agreeing with a previous poster sometimes it's cringe worthy to be associated with motorcycling, though most of my cringes happen viewing DCWs on motorcycles putting themselves in obviously risky positions and then being oh so offended when the foreseeable happens and then 'rev bombing'.
Agreeing with a previous poster sometimes it's cringe worthy to be associated with motorcycling, though most of my cringes happen viewing DCWs on motorcycles putting themselves in obviously risky positions and then being oh so offended when the foreseeable happens and then 'rev bombing'.
It's known in common law as 'coming to the nuisance'.
Buy a house within earshot of a fast A road and then complain about the noise. Go and live somewhere quiet if you don't like noise.
Edit: there's plenty of places in towns which are quiet as well... I'm not saying you gotta move to the Outer Hebrides. Cul-de-sacs and roads which aren't cut-throughs are pretty much all the places I've lived and noise is hardly an issue.
Buy a house within earshot of a fast A road and then complain about the noise. Go and live somewhere quiet if you don't like noise.
Edit: there's plenty of places in towns which are quiet as well... I'm not saying you gotta move to the Outer Hebrides. Cul-de-sacs and roads which aren't cut-throughs are pretty much all the places I've lived and noise is hardly an issue.
Edited by ingenieur on Tuesday 18th January 12:04
ingenieur said:
It's known in common law as 'coming to the nuisance'.
Buy a house within earshot of a fast A road and then complain about the noise. Go and live somewhere quiet if you don't like noise.
Edit: there's plenty of places in towns which are quiet as well... I'm not saying you gotta move to the Outer Hebrides. Cul-de-sacs and roads which aren't cut-throughs are pretty much all the places I've lived and noise is hardly an issue.
You are right, with one slight clarification.Buy a house within earshot of a fast A road and then complain about the noise. Go and live somewhere quiet if you don't like noise.
Edit: there's plenty of places in towns which are quiet as well... I'm not saying you gotta move to the Outer Hebrides. Cul-de-sacs and roads which aren't cut-throughs are pretty much all the places I've lived and noise is hardly an issue.
Edited by ingenieur on Tuesday 18th January 12:04
We have laws that define acceptable levels of noise produced by vehicles and complaining about "normal traffic noise" in such circumstances is, IMHO, unreasonable. However, I think it's perfectly acceptable to complain if vehicles are producing higher noise levels than those levels defined in law. It's their owners/riders/drivers that are breaking the law and it is them who should be punished or should move to inhabited parts of the country/world. Unfortunately, there is a significant minority of bikers (and some car drivers) who are simply selfish, self centered, inconsiderate a
holes and have bikes that are significantly noisier than is allowed in law.The police and crime officer justified this scheme by saying residents were complaining about the noise.
If you're saying when they complained they didn't mean general noise but specifically open exhausts (cars sometimes, but more often bikes) then the authorities have selected the wrong remedy.
To solve noisy exhausts you put one cop at a part of the road where acceleration can be measured on a meter which produces the necessary paperwork to prosecute and then further up the road a squad who can flag down specific vehicles as they approach.
Presumably this road is a 60 or 70mph limit so it's not as if restricting the vehicles to the limit is going to stop a noisy bike from sounding noisy.
If you're saying when they complained they didn't mean general noise but specifically open exhausts (cars sometimes, but more often bikes) then the authorities have selected the wrong remedy.
To solve noisy exhausts you put one cop at a part of the road where acceleration can be measured on a meter which produces the necessary paperwork to prosecute and then further up the road a squad who can flag down specific vehicles as they approach.
Presumably this road is a 60 or 70mph limit so it's not as if restricting the vehicles to the limit is going to stop a noisy bike from sounding noisy.
ingenieur said:
The police and crime officer justified this scheme by saying residents were complaining about the noise.
If you're saying when they complained they didn't mean general noise but specifically open exhausts (cars sometimes, but more often bikes) then the authorities have selected the wrong remedy.
To solve noisy exhausts you put one cop at a part of the road where acceleration can be measured on a meter which produces the necessary paperwork to prosecute and then further up the road a squad who can flag down specific vehicles as they approach.
Presumably this road is a 60 or 70mph limit so it's not as if restricting the vehicles to the limit is going to stop a noisy bike from sounding noisy.
Or you put noise cameras in, as they have done.If you're saying when they complained they didn't mean general noise but specifically open exhausts (cars sometimes, but more often bikes) then the authorities have selected the wrong remedy.
To solve noisy exhausts you put one cop at a part of the road where acceleration can be measured on a meter which produces the necessary paperwork to prosecute and then further up the road a squad who can flag down specific vehicles as they approach.
Presumably this road is a 60 or 70mph limit so it's not as if restricting the vehicles to the limit is going to stop a noisy bike from sounding noisy.
Edited by normalbloke on Tuesday 18th January 18:38
ingenieur said:
The police and crime officer justified this scheme by saying residents were complaining about the noise.
If you're saying when they complained they didn't mean general noise but specifically open exhausts (cars sometimes, but more often bikes) then the authorities have selected the wrong remedy.
To solve noisy exhausts you put one cop at a part of the road where acceleration can be measured on a meter which produces the necessary paperwork to prosecute and then further up the road a squad who can flag down specific vehicles as they approach.
Presumably this road is a 60 or 70mph limit so it's not as if restricting the vehicles to the limit is going to stop a noisy bike from sounding noisy.
... or, perhaps, maybe, you could put in a noise camera set to activate when a vehicle passes and is exceeding the legal noise levels? If you're saying when they complained they didn't mean general noise but specifically open exhausts (cars sometimes, but more often bikes) then the authorities have selected the wrong remedy.
To solve noisy exhausts you put one cop at a part of the road where acceleration can be measured on a meter which produces the necessary paperwork to prosecute and then further up the road a squad who can flag down specific vehicles as they approach.
Presumably this road is a 60 or 70mph limit so it's not as if restricting the vehicles to the limit is going to stop a noisy bike from sounding noisy.
There was a noise camera installed as a trial. It is/was on the A32 southbound as you come up the hill from the traffic lights at West Meon Hut, so will be listening to engines under load. Not sure if it's still there tbh, after 2 years of mostly working from home (and the crappy weather option being the car on the motorway) I haven't looked recently to spot it.
In this area there are long sections of 50mph in what was NSL, so I'm supposing the cameras will enforce that. The correct answer to this would be policing by the roads units, but that's a scarce resource these days. Thanks Cameron.
The creep of 50mph over the Downs seems to roll ever on and last summer after one of the lockdowns the whole are sounded like a racetrack on a Sunday morning. Cars as well as bikes, especially around Goodwood: that will be next. Oh well, give it 10 years and we'll all be whirring around powered by electricity and listening to whinges about something else.
In this area there are long sections of 50mph in what was NSL, so I'm supposing the cameras will enforce that. The correct answer to this would be policing by the roads units, but that's a scarce resource these days. Thanks Cameron.
The creep of 50mph over the Downs seems to roll ever on and last summer after one of the lockdowns the whole are sounded like a racetrack on a Sunday morning. Cars as well as bikes, especially around Goodwood: that will be next. Oh well, give it 10 years and we'll all be whirring around powered by electricity and listening to whinges about something else.
ingenieur said:
The police and crime officer justified this scheme by saying residents were complaining about the noise.
If you're saying when they complained they didn't mean general noise but specifically open exhausts (cars sometimes, but more often bikes) then the authorities have selected the wrong remedy.
To solve noisy exhausts you put one cop at a part of the road where acceleration can be measured on a meter which produces the necessary paperwork to prosecute and then further up the road a squad who can flag down specific vehicles as they approach.
Presumably this road is a 60 or 70mph limit so it's not as if restricting the vehicles to the limit is going to stop a noisy bike from sounding noisy.
Or you put it in as part of the MoT...If you're saying when they complained they didn't mean general noise but specifically open exhausts (cars sometimes, but more often bikes) then the authorities have selected the wrong remedy.
To solve noisy exhausts you put one cop at a part of the road where acceleration can be measured on a meter which produces the necessary paperwork to prosecute and then further up the road a squad who can flag down specific vehicles as they approach.
Presumably this road is a 60 or 70mph limit so it's not as if restricting the vehicles to the limit is going to stop a noisy bike from sounding noisy.
Marquezs Stabilisers said:
ingenieur said:
The police and crime officer justified this scheme by saying residents were complaining about the noise.
If you're saying when they complained they didn't mean general noise but specifically open exhausts (cars sometimes, but more often bikes) then the authorities have selected the wrong remedy.
To solve noisy exhausts you put one cop at a part of the road where acceleration can be measured on a meter which produces the necessary paperwork to prosecute and then further up the road a squad who can flag down specific vehicles as they approach.
Presumably this road is a 60 or 70mph limit so it's not as if restricting the vehicles to the limit is going to stop a noisy bike from sounding noisy.
Or you put it in as part of the MoT...If you're saying when they complained they didn't mean general noise but specifically open exhausts (cars sometimes, but more often bikes) then the authorities have selected the wrong remedy.
To solve noisy exhausts you put one cop at a part of the road where acceleration can be measured on a meter which produces the necessary paperwork to prosecute and then further up the road a squad who can flag down specific vehicles as they approach.
Presumably this road is a 60 or 70mph limit so it's not as if restricting the vehicles to the limit is going to stop a noisy bike from sounding noisy.
And surely anyone can understand why locals get pissed off with idiots treating the roads as race tracks. After all if these idiots were to have another bunch of idiots using their quaint little Bovis homes executive estate as a race track they would soon kick up a fuss. This has been going on across Wales for a few years and now most of the roads the racers favoured have average speed cameras or 40 limits. The police are out to catch speeders as its easy prey and pleases the locals. Just about every local council meeting has promises from the police to crack down on speeding.
To be honest I'm suprised this didn't come in earlier.
Yes, I'm sure there was a lot of pressure from the poshos that live around the area but the PCP Pilots that turn up there on sunny days and ride like utters are the final nail in the coffin. Same with Rykas and Whiteways. Bunch of wkers that have "Slow Boys" on the back of their jackets are prime culprits - although not the only ones.
Yes, I'm sure there was a lot of pressure from the poshos that live around the area but the PCP Pilots that turn up there on sunny days and ride like utter
s are the final nail in the coffin. Same with Rykas and Whiteways. Bunch of wkers that have "Slow Boys" on the back of their jackets are prime culprits - although not the only ones.My family have a farm about half a mile from the A24 in Sussex. There are a couple of speed camera on the A24.
Every weekend when the weather is good you hear a constant soundtrack of high raving bikes howling up the road between the speed cameras. The cameras, if anything, make it worse as the bikes slow down for them then race away once through them.
It is annoying but I can't help feeling that £650K would be better spent making the road surface fit for purpose.
Every weekend when the weather is good you hear a constant soundtrack of high raving bikes howling up the road between the speed cameras. The cameras, if anything, make it worse as the bikes slow down for them then race away once through them.
It is annoying but I can't help feeling that £650K would be better spent making the road surface fit for purpose.
nute said:
My family have a farm about half a mile from the A24 in Sussex. There are a couple of speed camera on the A24.
Every weekend when the weather is good you hear a constant soundtrack of high raving bikes howling up the road between the speed cameras. The cameras, if anything, make it worse as the bikes slow down for them then race away once through them.
It is annoying but I can't help feeling that £650K would be better spent making the road surface fit for purpose.
These are average speed cameras being installed on the A32. Every weekend when the weather is good you hear a constant soundtrack of high raving bikes howling up the road between the speed cameras. The cameras, if anything, make it worse as the bikes slow down for them then race away once through them.
It is annoying but I can't help feeling that £650K would be better spent making the road surface fit for purpose.
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