E-bike performance
Discussion
Quite quick then.
https://youtu.be/o3DiAecsh_0
If ever there was a bike that needed traction control that's it.
Funny take on loud pipes
https://youtu.be/o3DiAecsh_0
If ever there was a bike that needed traction control that's it.
Funny take on loud pipes
When it comes to "character" anything that make you go "Jesus f
king Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time. 
king Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time. ChocolateFrog said:
6 years old and I haven't heard about them, can't have gone too well in the mean time.
I'm guessing it's £50k and does 70 miles between charges.
It looks more like the company is being run by Stuart Garners' American cousin rather than the price/range of the bikes that is the issue!!!I'm guessing it's £50k and does 70 miles between charges.
https://www.rideapart.com/features/455680/what-hap...
black-k1 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
6 years old and I haven't heard about them, can't have gone too well in the mean time.
I'm guessing it's £50k and does 70 miles between charges.
It looks more like the company is being run by Stuart Garners' American cousin rather than the price/range of the bikes that is the issue!!!I'm guessing it's £50k and does 70 miles between charges.
https://www.rideapart.com/features/455680/what-hap...
black-k1 said:
When it comes to "character" anything that make you go "Jesus fking Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time.
fking Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time. king spot on! What's more, I think a lot of these people talking about "character" aren't the ones doing serious miles on or and relying on their bike day to day.
black-k1 said:
When it comes to "character" anything that make you go "Jesus fking Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time.
He said character - not 60's British bike king Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time. 
Biker9090 said:
black-k1 said:
When it comes to "character" anything that make you go "Jesus fking Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time.
fking Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time. king spot on! What's more, I think a lot of these people talking about "character" aren't the ones doing serious miles on or and relying on their bike day to day.
As an everyday bike though, they will be very popular.
This E superbike thing will work well for the rich image conscious biker that spends a few hrs on a sunday going to a local bike haunt.
Regardless of it being layed up for 6 mths they can just plug it in at home for a charge nght before and off they go sunday.
There would normally be worry about stale petrol and fluids for the odd mechanically curious sunday biker.
Biking will become even more toy like.
Regardless of it being layed up for 6 mths they can just plug it in at home for a charge nght before and off they go sunday.
There would normally be worry about stale petrol and fluids for the odd mechanically curious sunday biker.
Biking will become even more toy like.
The only thing really stopping me from buying an electric bike is range and price. Well, and a test ride.
Yes ICE bikes can sound great - if you like the sound - but personally I find that when I’m riding quickly I’m concentrating so don’t really hear it and also the sound gets lost behind you. So better if you are following behind someone.
On the flip side I’m aware that noise pollution is something that irritates a lot of people and could lead to more restrictions on bikers so electric bikes will hopefully retain our freedom to ride longer.
As to changing gears, if you ride a litre bike on the road at reasonable sensible speeds then you hardly need to change gears anyway. Apart from pulling away I could probably ride everywhere in third. So not sure an electric bike would be much different.
People like what they know. I suspect that in forty years, if bikes are still allowed, new bikers won’t be interested in ICE bikes.
Yes ICE bikes can sound great - if you like the sound - but personally I find that when I’m riding quickly I’m concentrating so don’t really hear it and also the sound gets lost behind you. So better if you are following behind someone.
On the flip side I’m aware that noise pollution is something that irritates a lot of people and could lead to more restrictions on bikers so electric bikes will hopefully retain our freedom to ride longer.
As to changing gears, if you ride a litre bike on the road at reasonable sensible speeds then you hardly need to change gears anyway. Apart from pulling away I could probably ride everywhere in third. So not sure an electric bike would be much different.
People like what they know. I suspect that in forty years, if bikes are still allowed, new bikers won’t be interested in ICE bikes.
ChocolateFrog said:
black-k1 said:
ChocolateFrog said:
6 years old and I haven't heard about them, can't have gone too well in the mean time.
I'm guessing it's £50k and does 70 miles between charges.
It looks more like the company is being run by Stuart Garners' American cousin rather than the price/range of the bikes that is the issue!!!I'm guessing it's £50k and does 70 miles between charges.
https://www.rideapart.com/features/455680/what-hap...
Krikkit said:
Biker9090 said:
black-k1 said:
When it comes to "character" anything that make you go "Jesus fking Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time.
fking Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time. king spot on! What's more, I think a lot of these people talking about "character" aren't the ones doing serious miles on or and relying on their bike day to day.
As an everyday bike though, they will be very popular.
To me an R1 or a Fireblade would have no character compared to what I like as they work too well. That's obviously not to say they don't have character, just that it isn't what I look for as I like manual ignition, irregular running and the art of actually keeping the machine going which you don't have to consider on a modern bike.
I think an electric bike makes a lot of sense if people are able to overcome their inbuilt hatred of them for some reason. Most bikes are taken from home for a blat around the local scenery on a Sunday morning or to a cafe to meet mates then return to home where they can be recharged.
The only sad thing is that there was no internet forums 120 years ago when we'd have records of almost the same arguments when people were moving from a horse to an ICE powered motorcycle
srob said:
Krikkit said:
Biker9090 said:
black-k1 said:
When it comes to "character" anything that make you go "Jesus fking Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time.
fking Christ" every time you open the throttle but is easy to ride around town and can easily be flicked from side to side has all the "character" I need! Perhaps they'll do a a "character add-on pack" that involves an oil bottle that will drip onto your garage floor over night, an extra collection of nuts and bolts that can be pre-set to work loose at given time intervals and a switch in the ignition that randomly stops the bike from being switched on for a period of time. king spot on! What's more, I think a lot of these people talking about "character" aren't the ones doing serious miles on or and relying on their bike day to day.
As an everyday bike though, they will be very popular.
To me an R1 or a Fireblade would have no character compared to what I like as they work too well. That's obviously not to say they don't have character, just that it isn't what I look for as I like manual ignition, irregular running and the art of actually keeping the machine going which you don't have to consider on a modern bike.
I think an electric bike makes a lot of sense if people are able to overcome their inbuilt hatred of them for some reason. Most bikes are taken from home for a blat around the local scenery on a Sunday morning or to a cafe to meet mates then return to home where they can be recharged.
The only sad thing is that there was no internet forums 120 years ago when we'd have records of almost the same arguments when people were moving from a horse to an ICE powered motorcycle
For character in a vehicle I think people generally like something to be different or quirky. It doesn't have to be significantly different and it could be both positive and/or negative. For me, the idea of the massive torque of an electric bike already has it well on it's way to having character but I know others are far less excited but massive, instant but controllable torque.
As for change, again most people just don't like the idea of change. While none of us are really aware of the debates that srob is sure happened when the horse was being replaced by motorised vehicles, including motorcycles, I do remember some of the change from British bikes dominating the market to Jap bikes dominating the market. You weren't a real biker if you rode "Jap crap", you certainly didn't want the complexity of more than two cylinders and if a Triumph/Norton/BSA twin was good enough for your dad then a slightly bigger, faster but even less reliable one was good enough for you. 50 years on, look where we are. Most bikers (except perhaps srob
) see the old British bikes for what they really were, outdated, badly build, poor performing and unreliable. While I don't think that in 50 years from now ICE bikes will be seen in such a similar negative light, I do think there will be a more honest appraisal of what is really being lost and what is being gained. (Except sob's children, who I suspect will be coveting a Fireblade or R1 because of their character!) 
black-k1 said:
For character in a vehicle I think people generally like something to be different or quirky. It doesn't have to be significantly different and it could be both positive and/or negative. For me, the idea of the massive torque of an electric bike already has it well on it's way to having character but I know others are far less excited but massive, instant but controllable torque.
I had a go in a Tesla - nice fun-fare ride but it's not the sameTo me 950 / 990 KTM have character, most bikes don't and very few of us ride for practicality, most ride for fun. I've never found any of my power tools to have character, I've never bothered modifying them, they just do a job
I will try electric bikes but until they can change the noise and the way the motor feels I know I'm not interested in them for fun - in the same way I'm not interested in 99.9% of modern cars as the electronics have ruined them for me
Twins, singles have what I would call character, whereas IL4's are just a bit bland, they're all quick but some you have to work to get the performance out of.
At this moment I don't have much interest in EV bikes, performance will be staggering, but weight is against them and range/charging for everything but the commute.
If technology develops to address those two I'd entertain them, but on the flip side I'll be well into my 60's in 2035, assuming I am still riding I'll more than likely continue to ride an ICE bike.
At this moment I don't have much interest in EV bikes, performance will be staggering, but weight is against them and range/charging for everything but the commute.
If technology develops to address those two I'd entertain them, but on the flip side I'll be well into my 60's in 2035, assuming I am still riding I'll more than likely continue to ride an ICE bike.
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