Ducati Streetfighter v2 from Monster 821, any thoughts?
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Had my Monster for 2 years, been thinking of a change for next year and the new Streetfighter v2 has popped up.
Looks a tempting choice, the performance of the Panigale v2 but without the "sporty" riding position and with 2 less teeth on the rear sprocket to give more grunt at lower revs, presumably giving more usable response when on the road.
My other option was the Supersport 950, less power but the Ducati sports bike look without having an extreme riding position.
Obviously the SFv2 is not out yet and I imagine the SFv4 is quite a different beast but if anyone has any thoughts, or has ridden both the Panigale v2 and the SF, would welcome any opinions.....
I went from the 821 Monster to the 1200 Monster. I found the Streetfighter was a much more extreme version and no good for me, my back nor my preferred riding style. While the 1200 has much more power its also a lot smoother so was definitely the right choice. I also tried the Panigale V2, engine was no good a low speeds as it felt like a scalded cat all of the time. I had the Panigale for a day and I never want to ride that bike again outside of a race track. Mad bike, mad engine, mad riding position.
Also I am no longer 20 which probably explains a lot.
Also I am no longer 20 which probably explains a lot.
Haven't ridden a SFv2 obviously but have ridden a M821 and Pv2 and had a couple of 1200s as well as having a SFv4 now.
The monsters are comfortable and really fun to ride with the torque as well as revving out quite nicely. Not a 'flickable' but still agile and powering out of a corner on the torque and then banging up the gears with a quickshifter never got old.
The pv2 and my current SFv4 are no where near as comfortable. The v2 panagale was far too aggressive and small for me to get comfortable.
The SFv4 is tipped forward position, still a bit of weight on the wrists and an animal to ride if you aren't short shifting. I expect the SFv2 to ride like the Pv2 so a much more focused and aggressive position and engine.
The monsters are comfortable and really fun to ride with the torque as well as revving out quite nicely. Not a 'flickable' but still agile and powering out of a corner on the torque and then banging up the gears with a quickshifter never got old.
The pv2 and my current SFv4 are no where near as comfortable. The v2 panagale was far too aggressive and small for me to get comfortable.
The SFv4 is tipped forward position, still a bit of weight on the wrists and an animal to ride if you aren't short shifting. I expect the SFv2 to ride like the Pv2 so a much more focused and aggressive position and engine.
Thanks for all the feedback, the new Monster is a great bike no doubt but I fancy something a bit different for a couple of years.
Re the power/torque graphs for the SFv2 and Pv2, these look quite different, does anyone know how to read these graphs to estimate how this difference will translate on road, perhaps to make the SFv2 more tractable at road speeds? The gearing is also different with some reviews I have seen saying 2 more teeth on the back and some 2 less, which is confusing....
The SF is a great bike but still quite sporty in its position, I went from a Monster S2R to a Multi (Gen 1) then a Hyperstrada 821 .... in your shoes I'd go fine a Hyper (Motard or Strada) of some description, more laughs than you can shake a stick at without being over powering, after 3 years with the latest Multi I have juts bought a 939 Hyper, its so much more fun again 
philcray said:
Re the power/torque graphs for the SFv2 and Pv2, these look quite different, does anyone know how to read these graphs to estimate how this difference will translate on road, perhaps to make the SFv2 more tractable at road speeds? The gearing is also different with some reviews I have seen saying 2 more teeth on the back and some 2 less, which is confusing....
It's pretty much impossible from the graphs on the Ducati UK site to really draw conclusions - they're different scales on power, torque and RPM, and very unclear axes labelling etc.Having said that, from the specs I've seen they should be near-identical - the only real difference is that the ram effect from a bigger intake on the V2 has gone, hence it's 2hp down at the peak (apparently!).
They've added 2 teeth at the back on the SFv2 - they're 15/43 for the Pani and 15/45 for the SF. I've also seen mention that they've made the mapping a little softer on the first 3 gears for the SF to calm it down a bit, I suspect it'll make a much better road bike than the Pani.
Hi, I am the OP of this thread.
I had my Monster in for a Service at Preston Ducati last Friday and they lent me a Streetfighter v2 for the day. Was a bit concerned about the step up to 150bhp so, as the roads were still damp, I put it into Wet mode (restricted to c110bhp). Hydraulic clutch was actually smoother to use than the Monster (Monster is cable) and no problems setting off. Like all these restricted power modes, it didn't feel like the power claimed and more like wading through water so quickly popped it into Road to get the full 150bhp, immediately felt a lot more like it.
Riding position felt fine, seat firm and pegs higher that the Monster, bars wide and comfortable, engine tractable from low revs and I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to ride. Pulled nicely in the 3k to 6k region for road use, didn't give it much beans but obviously plenty more to come.
Handling very good, managed to get on a few bendy bits and felt much firmer & more planted than the Monster. All in all, it ticked many boxes to change, much bigger mid range grunt but still easy to ride without the discomfort of a sports bike. Looks good and why would you not want a 150bhp bike in the garage....
The dash was similar to the Monster (mine is 2018 so latest version) but, unless I was missing it, did not have a fuel gauge which seems a bit remis in 2022. I couldn't get into the full UI as it was PIN protected so it may have been hidden in there.
All in all and putting the cost to one side, it would make a nice step from the Monster, not that different to ride on a day to day basis but a huge chunk of extra oomph and sharper handling.
I am hesitating as I also like the look of the Supersport 950S, Ducati sports bike styling but without the discomfort. Concerns are that it may not feel that different to the Monster as power is about the same, may be sharper handling though so I guess I need to test ride one of those now....
I had my Monster in for a Service at Preston Ducati last Friday and they lent me a Streetfighter v2 for the day. Was a bit concerned about the step up to 150bhp so, as the roads were still damp, I put it into Wet mode (restricted to c110bhp). Hydraulic clutch was actually smoother to use than the Monster (Monster is cable) and no problems setting off. Like all these restricted power modes, it didn't feel like the power claimed and more like wading through water so quickly popped it into Road to get the full 150bhp, immediately felt a lot more like it.
Riding position felt fine, seat firm and pegs higher that the Monster, bars wide and comfortable, engine tractable from low revs and I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to ride. Pulled nicely in the 3k to 6k region for road use, didn't give it much beans but obviously plenty more to come.
Handling very good, managed to get on a few bendy bits and felt much firmer & more planted than the Monster. All in all, it ticked many boxes to change, much bigger mid range grunt but still easy to ride without the discomfort of a sports bike. Looks good and why would you not want a 150bhp bike in the garage....
The dash was similar to the Monster (mine is 2018 so latest version) but, unless I was missing it, did not have a fuel gauge which seems a bit remis in 2022. I couldn't get into the full UI as it was PIN protected so it may have been hidden in there.
All in all and putting the cost to one side, it would make a nice step from the Monster, not that different to ride on a day to day basis but a huge chunk of extra oomph and sharper handling.
I am hesitating as I also like the look of the Supersport 950S, Ducati sports bike styling but without the discomfort. Concerns are that it may not feel that different to the Monster as power is about the same, may be sharper handling though so I guess I need to test ride one of those now....
Edited by philcray on Monday 7th March 13:32
philcray said:
Hi, I am the OP of this thread.
I had my Monster in for a Service at Preston Ducati last Friday and they lent me a Streetfighter v2 for the day. Was a bit concerned about the step up to 150bhp so, as the roads were still damp, I put it into Wet mode (restricted to c110bhp). Hydraulic clutch was actually smoother to use than the Monster (Monster is cable) and no problems setting off. Like all these restricted power modes, it didn't feel like the power claimed and more like wading through water so quickly popped it into Road to get the full 150bhp, immediately felt a lot more like it.
Riding position felt fine, seat firm and pegs higher that the Monster, bars wide and comfortable, engine tractable from low revs and I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to ride. Pulled nicely in the 3k to 6k region for road use, didn't give it much beans but obviously plenty more to come.
Handling very good, managed to get on a few bendy bits and felt much firmer & more planted than the Monster. All in all, it ticked many boxes to change, much bigger mid range grunt but still easy to ride without the discomfort of a sports bike. Looks good and why would you not want a 150bhp bike in the garage....
The dash was similar to the Monster (mine is 2018 so latest version) but, unless I was missing it, did not have a fuel gauge which seems a bit remis in 2022. I couldn't get into the full UI as it was PIN protected so it may have been hidden in there.
All in all and putting the cost to one side, it would make a nice step from the Monster, not that different to ride on a day to day basis but a huge chunk of extra oomph and sharper handling.
I am hesitating as I also like the look of the Supersport 950S, Ducati sports bike styling but without the discomfort. Concerns are that it may not feel that different to the Monster as power is about the same, may be sharper handling though so I guess I need to test ride one of those now....
Interesting stuff, thanks (I have a facelift Monster 821 as well). Was it a more "wristy" riding position than the Monster? I had my Monster in for a Service at Preston Ducati last Friday and they lent me a Streetfighter v2 for the day. Was a bit concerned about the step up to 150bhp so, as the roads were still damp, I put it into Wet mode (restricted to c110bhp). Hydraulic clutch was actually smoother to use than the Monster (Monster is cable) and no problems setting off. Like all these restricted power modes, it didn't feel like the power claimed and more like wading through water so quickly popped it into Road to get the full 150bhp, immediately felt a lot more like it.
Riding position felt fine, seat firm and pegs higher that the Monster, bars wide and comfortable, engine tractable from low revs and I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to ride. Pulled nicely in the 3k to 6k region for road use, didn't give it much beans but obviously plenty more to come.
Handling very good, managed to get on a few bendy bits and felt much firmer & more planted than the Monster. All in all, it ticked many boxes to change, much bigger mid range grunt but still easy to ride without the discomfort of a sports bike. Looks good and why would you not want a 150bhp bike in the garage....
The dash was similar to the Monster (mine is 2018 so latest version) but, unless I was missing it, did not have a fuel gauge which seems a bit remis in 2022. I couldn't get into the full UI as it was PIN protected so it may have been hidden in there.
All in all and putting the cost to one side, it would make a nice step from the Monster, not that different to ride on a day to day basis but a huge chunk of extra oomph and sharper handling.
I am hesitating as I also like the look of the Supersport 950S, Ducati sports bike styling but without the discomfort. Concerns are that it may not feel that different to the Monster as power is about the same, may be sharper handling though so I guess I need to test ride one of those now....
PS - Dash was maybe just in a different mode that didn't have a fuel gauge displayed as you say - would be nuts not to get a fuel gauge for your c.£15k!
_Neal_ said:
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PS - Dash was maybe just in a different mode that didn't have a fuel gauge displayed as you say - would be nuts not to get a fuel gauge for your c.£15k!
I've got a Pani V2 & SFV4S (greedy, I know PS - Dash was maybe just in a different mode that didn't have a fuel gauge displayed as you say - would be nuts not to get a fuel gauge for your c.£15k!
). Neither of them or their respective SF / Pani cousins have fuel guages; it's all to do with the shape of the tanks which extend under the seat. Apparently this means that it's not possible to have a fuel guage. Over time, you get used to hitting reset at every fill-up which will be more trustworthy than the warning light which tends to be pretty pessimistic and tells you porkies.nxi20 said:
_Neal_ said:
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PS - Dash was maybe just in a different mode that didn't have a fuel gauge displayed as you say - would be nuts not to get a fuel gauge for your c.£15k!
I've got a Pani V2 & SFV4S (greedy, I know PS - Dash was maybe just in a different mode that didn't have a fuel gauge displayed as you say - would be nuts not to get a fuel gauge for your c.£15k!
). Neither of them or their respective SF / Pani cousins have fuel guages; it's all to do with the shape of the tanks which extend under the seat. Apparently this means that it's not possible to have a fuel guage. Over time, you get used to hitting reset at every fill-up which will be more trustworthy than the warning light which tends to be pretty pessimistic and tells you porkies.
Thanks - every day's a school day.
philcray said:
_Neal_ said:
Interesting stuff, thanks (I have a facelift Monster 821 as well). Was it a more "wristy" riding position than the Monster?
I did about 40 miles on the bike and didn't notice any particular pressure on the wrists, felt pretty comfortable all in all..Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff