Avoiding getting a bike
Discussion
Right, its an addiction I get it, However when my dad died I immediately sold all of them to save my mam the heartache of me being a biker, BUT.. Ive started looking an ebay/marketplace for something in the under 2 and half grand bracket ( or my old 250 CBR) while im still within the 2 years of using my no claims and I know I really shouldnt be tempting myself.
What can I do so I dont get one chaps????/
What can I do so I dont get one chaps????/
You could avoid getting a bike by watching that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2GMikG_PqA
You previously mooted getting a classic and as you started a RE Meteor thread and I suggested getting a RE Meteor on a PCP deal so you could move onto another bike at the end of the PCP term. You could get your motorcycling kicks on a non-threatening slow motorcycle such as a Meteor 350. I think Stuart Fillingham has said there's a bigger engined Meteor styled RE coming.
PCPing a Meteor would mean you'd have a new bike rather than the hassles of used bike fixing.
If you can't afford the monthly PCP payments on an RE Meteor can you afford to run a £2K-£3K CBR600 or a £4K 954 Fireblade?
Your mum would feel less concerned about you being out and about on an RE Meteor?
So rather than getting a 650 because you think some motorcyclists look down on sub 600cc motorcycles you could get an RE Meteor that may help your mum feel more comfortable about you buying a motorcycle.
You could avoid getting a bike by going to that Motorcycle Show which is at the NEC? I am not sure where it is.
Going to the Motorcycle show would allow you to peruse lots of motorcycles and try them for physical size for the manual handling on drive ways issues.
You could avoid getting a bike by going to get some more training that may improve your confidence and help you get more enjoyment from motorcycle riding. If you get some more training you'll get out on someone else's bike without having to buy your own. Who knows you may learn something and experience something new?
One of the YouTube videos about manual handling recommended to you by another PHer showed a technique that I have now used.
You could avoid getting a bike by doing a bit of delay gratification and using a Motorcycle Training School and one of their bikes to get the IAM or RoSPA advanced test and not buying a bike until you've passed one of them. Didn't I previously offer to make a donation to a charity if you passed the IAM or RoSPA bike test within so many months?
You could do lots of things but that would involve actually doing something rather than typing stuff on the Internet.
You can buy a bike to stop you losing your NCB in the 2 year limit, but until you change something, do something differently will you just be repeating a previous cycle? If motorcycling is an escape or a displacement activity from other issues will getting a bike really achieve much? You'll have retained your NCB and you'll have a possession that helps categorise or pigeon hole you as a motorcyclist.
Passing the IAM or RoSPA advanced motorcycle test wouldn't categorise, pigeon hole you as a Motorcyclist? Or it's just buying something, in this case a motorcycle, as a displacement activity from doing something else?
When you're on a motorcycle you are controlling it. People on the Internet cannot lead your life for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2GMikG_PqA
You previously mooted getting a classic and as you started a RE Meteor thread and I suggested getting a RE Meteor on a PCP deal so you could move onto another bike at the end of the PCP term. You could get your motorcycling kicks on a non-threatening slow motorcycle such as a Meteor 350. I think Stuart Fillingham has said there's a bigger engined Meteor styled RE coming.
PCPing a Meteor would mean you'd have a new bike rather than the hassles of used bike fixing.
If you can't afford the monthly PCP payments on an RE Meteor can you afford to run a £2K-£3K CBR600 or a £4K 954 Fireblade?
Your mum would feel less concerned about you being out and about on an RE Meteor?
So rather than getting a 650 because you think some motorcyclists look down on sub 600cc motorcycles you could get an RE Meteor that may help your mum feel more comfortable about you buying a motorcycle.
You could avoid getting a bike by going to that Motorcycle Show which is at the NEC? I am not sure where it is.
Going to the Motorcycle show would allow you to peruse lots of motorcycles and try them for physical size for the manual handling on drive ways issues.
You could avoid getting a bike by going to get some more training that may improve your confidence and help you get more enjoyment from motorcycle riding. If you get some more training you'll get out on someone else's bike without having to buy your own. Who knows you may learn something and experience something new?
One of the YouTube videos about manual handling recommended to you by another PHer showed a technique that I have now used.
You could avoid getting a bike by doing a bit of delay gratification and using a Motorcycle Training School and one of their bikes to get the IAM or RoSPA advanced test and not buying a bike until you've passed one of them. Didn't I previously offer to make a donation to a charity if you passed the IAM or RoSPA bike test within so many months?
You could do lots of things but that would involve actually doing something rather than typing stuff on the Internet.
You can buy a bike to stop you losing your NCB in the 2 year limit, but until you change something, do something differently will you just be repeating a previous cycle? If motorcycling is an escape or a displacement activity from other issues will getting a bike really achieve much? You'll have retained your NCB and you'll have a possession that helps categorise or pigeon hole you as a motorcyclist.
Passing the IAM or RoSPA advanced motorcycle test wouldn't categorise, pigeon hole you as a Motorcyclist? Or it's just buying something, in this case a motorcycle, as a displacement activity from doing something else?
When you're on a motorcycle you are controlling it. People on the Internet cannot lead your life for you.
Edited by carinaman on Monday 15th November 11:04
"Remember, it's not about the bike you're riding but where you are going"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-dYG7moZc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-dYG7moZc
A500leroy said:
Right, its an addiction I get it, However when my dad died I immediately sold all of them to save my mam the heartache of me being a biker.
"Mum, I appreciate you are concerned about me being on a motorcycle but I have gone to get some more training and now I am an IAM Advanced/RoSPA Advanced Motorcyclist."I don't work in Insurance. Would passing the IAM or RoSPA test get you a dicsount that would offset you losing your NCB as you've not insured a motorcycle for two years?
Edited by carinaman on Monday 15th November 11:35
While no one wants to cause their loved ones distress, I'm sure no loved one would really want you to miss out on something you really want to do, just to avoid them worrying. If you really want to ride a bike then the question is really only how do you minimise the worry for your Mum.
Explaining how you've taken reasonable steps to be safe (training, kit etc.) will help your Mum understand that this is something you want to do and are taking seriously. That, in turn, should then allow your own conscience to purchase a bike.
Explaining how you've taken reasonable steps to be safe (training, kit etc.) will help your Mum understand that this is something you want to do and are taking seriously. That, in turn, should then allow your own conscience to purchase a bike.
carinaman said:
I don't work in Insurance. Would passing the IAM or RoSPA test get you a dicsount that would offset you losing your NCB as you've not insured a motorcycle for two years?
Very unlikely. The discount for IAM/RoSPA is minimal. Edited by black-k1 on Monday 15th November 12:37
carinaman said:
A500leroy said:
Right, its an addiction I get it, However when my dad died I immediately sold all of them to save my mam the heartache of me being a biker.
"Mum, I appreciate you are concerned about me being on a motorcycle but I have gone to get some more training and now I am an IAM Advanced/RoSPA Advanced Motorcyclist."I don't work in Insurance. Would passing the IAM or RoSPA test get you a dicsount that would offset you losing your NCB as you've not insured a motorcycle for two years?
Edited by carinaman on Monday 15th November 11:35
alternative would be throw the same money in a cheap drivers car, sure she'd be happier but it wont be the same, it'll cost a lot more to tax/fuel/insure and take up a lot more room.
truth is though she might worry that will pass she wont be waking in middle of the night on sweats thinking about you on a bike. It will very quiickly be something she doesnt even think about.
buy good quality safety gear, invest in training or just dont tell her
truth is though she might worry that will pass she wont be waking in middle of the night on sweats thinking about you on a bike. It will very quiickly be something she doesnt even think about.
buy good quality safety gear, invest in training or just dont tell her
do you live in a house with stairs?
do you get up in morning and use electricity and water together?
do you heat the house/flat/apartment using a gas that is ignited by a spark in a chamber?
The above everyday items/uses cause numerous deaths per year, particularly stairs
we don't all now live in bungalows, still mix water and electricity for hot drinks/cooking and showers etc and we still use gas central heating - despite the best efforts of Putin/Bojo the Clown
these are more likely to kill or maim than motorcycles - but you'll happliy go on using them
do you get up in morning and use electricity and water together?
do you heat the house/flat/apartment using a gas that is ignited by a spark in a chamber?
The above everyday items/uses cause numerous deaths per year, particularly stairs
we don't all now live in bungalows, still mix water and electricity for hot drinks/cooking and showers etc and we still use gas central heating - despite the best efforts of Putin/Bojo the Clown
these are more likely to kill or maim than motorcycles - but you'll happliy go on using them
For me, outside of not riding at all, the best mitigation of risks involved in riding motorcycles is to just do trackdays.
While trackdays are far from risk free and accidents, fatalities do happen, serious incidents are few and far between, you almost entirely remove the biggest risk for me with Road riding, the unexpected, be that a car pulling out, some diesel on the road, debris, ice and a million other things.
No, trackdays aren't cheap, but if you aim for once a month, it's not really much more than someone doing a month's worth of road riding and imo, it's immeasurably more fun.
Should the worst happen and you come off, at least you've got almost immediate access to critical first aid, rather than the wait you'd have on the road.
Get yourself a 600, maybe an R6 or cbr and give it a go and see how you get on, can always take the bike on the road if it isn't your cuppa tea after.
While trackdays are far from risk free and accidents, fatalities do happen, serious incidents are few and far between, you almost entirely remove the biggest risk for me with Road riding, the unexpected, be that a car pulling out, some diesel on the road, debris, ice and a million other things.
No, trackdays aren't cheap, but if you aim for once a month, it's not really much more than someone doing a month's worth of road riding and imo, it's immeasurably more fun.
Should the worst happen and you come off, at least you've got almost immediate access to critical first aid, rather than the wait you'd have on the road.
Get yourself a 600, maybe an R6 or cbr and give it a go and see how you get on, can always take the bike on the road if it isn't your cuppa tea after.
GYTRDave said:
For me, outside of not riding at all, the best mitigation of risks involved in riding motorcycles is to just do trackdays.
While trackdays are far from risk free and accidents, fatalities do happen, serious incidents are few and far between, you almost entirely remove the biggest risk for me with Road riding, the unexpected, be that a car pulling out, some diesel on the road, debris, ice and a million other things.
No, trackdays aren't cheap, but if you aim for once a month, it's not really much more than someone doing a month's worth of road riding and imo, it's immeasurably more fun.
Should the worst happen and you come off, at least you've got almost immediate access to critical first aid, rather than the wait you'd have on the road.
Get yourself a 600, maybe an R6 or cbr and give it a go and see how you get on, can always take the bike on the road if it isn't your cuppa tea after.
Means ive got Darley moor on my doorstep this could a possibleWhile trackdays are far from risk free and accidents, fatalities do happen, serious incidents are few and far between, you almost entirely remove the biggest risk for me with Road riding, the unexpected, be that a car pulling out, some diesel on the road, debris, ice and a million other things.
No, trackdays aren't cheap, but if you aim for once a month, it's not really much more than someone doing a month's worth of road riding and imo, it's immeasurably more fun.
Should the worst happen and you come off, at least you've got almost immediate access to critical first aid, rather than the wait you'd have on the road.
Get yourself a 600, maybe an R6 or cbr and give it a go and see how you get on, can always take the bike on the road if it isn't your cuppa tea after.
GYTRDave said:
For me, outside of not riding at all, the best mitigation of risks involved in riding motorcycles is to just do trackdays.
While trackdays are far from risk free and accidents, fatalities do happen, serious incidents are few and far between, you almost entirely remove the biggest risk for me with Road riding, the unexpected, be that a car pulling out, some diesel on the road, debris, ice and a million other things.
No, trackdays aren't cheap, but if you aim for once a month, it's not really much more than someone doing a month's worth of road riding and imo, it's immeasurably more fun.
Should the worst happen and you come off, at least you've got almost immediate access to critical first aid, rather than the wait you'd have on the road.
Get yourself a 600, maybe an R6 or cbr and give it a go and see how you get on, can always take the bike on the road if it isn't your cuppa tea after.
I think you need to do your maths here. A track day will have, say, 100 bikes. Each will get something like 5 or 6 20 minute sessions per day. That's a total of 2 hours riding per rider. Are you really suggesting that if you were to randomly select a group of100 riders and look at 2 hours of their road riding, there would be as many accidents? I doubt it!While trackdays are far from risk free and accidents, fatalities do happen, serious incidents are few and far between, you almost entirely remove the biggest risk for me with Road riding, the unexpected, be that a car pulling out, some diesel on the road, debris, ice and a million other things.
No, trackdays aren't cheap, but if you aim for once a month, it's not really much more than someone doing a month's worth of road riding and imo, it's immeasurably more fun.
Should the worst happen and you come off, at least you've got almost immediate access to critical first aid, rather than the wait you'd have on the road.
Get yourself a 600, maybe an R6 or cbr and give it a go and see how you get on, can always take the bike on the road if it isn't your cuppa tea after.
While I understand about the safer environment, but, likewise, everyone is likely pushing themselves and their bikes harder than they would/should on the public road. We must also remember the limited numbers of riders and types of riders involved. Track days are attended by a much smaller number of riders compared to the number on the road and there are no L plate kids on pizza delivery mopeds that bump up road accident statistics.
Any claim that "track days are safer" is based on nothing more than wishful thinking and a total lack of any form of actual research.
Any claim that "track days are safer" is based on nothing more than wishful thinking and a total lack of any form of actual research.
anonymous said:
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I haven't claimed anything other than the fact that no actual evidence has been presented. It was in response to:
GYTRDave said:
For me, outside of not riding at all, the best mitigation of risks involved in riding motorcycles is to just do trackdays.
While trackdays are far from risk free and accidents, fatalities do happen, serious incidents are few and far between, you almost entirely remove the biggest risk for me with Road riding, the unexpected, be that a car pulling out, some diesel on the road, debris, ice and a million other things.
No, trackdays aren't cheap, but if you aim for once a month, it's not really much more than someone doing a month's worth of road riding and imo, it's immeasurably more fun.
Should the worst happen and you come off, at least you've got almost immediate access to critical first aid, rather than the wait you'd have on the road.
Get yourself a 600, maybe an R6 or cbr and give it a go and see how you get on, can always take the bike on the road if it isn't your cuppa tea after.
And, the unexpected, be that a car pulling out, some diesel on the road, debris, ice and a million other things are, I would suggest, much more about the likelihood of having an accident than about the severity of outcome. While trackdays are far from risk free and accidents, fatalities do happen, serious incidents are few and far between, you almost entirely remove the biggest risk for me with Road riding, the unexpected, be that a car pulling out, some diesel on the road, debris, ice and a million other things.
No, trackdays aren't cheap, but if you aim for once a month, it's not really much more than someone doing a month's worth of road riding and imo, it's immeasurably more fun.
Should the worst happen and you come off, at least you've got almost immediate access to critical first aid, rather than the wait you'd have on the road.
Get yourself a 600, maybe an R6 or cbr and give it a go and see how you get on, can always take the bike on the road if it isn't your cuppa tea after.
My view is that any claim, or even implication, that accidents are more or less likely to happen when comparing track days with road, or that accidents are more or less severe on the track or on the road without producing evidence, is nothing more than wishful thinking and certainly not advice to be taken if attempting to assess risk
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