Speed limiters for motorbikes by 2030

Speed limiters for motorbikes by 2030

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Kawasicki

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13,425 posts

241 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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EU has proposed that all new motorcycles should be fitted with automatic speed limiters by 2030, similar to those fitted to cars from next year.

Er….no thanks.

bogie

16,570 posts

278 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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There wont be many new bikes sold then smile ...I thought we exit the EU ...didn't we ?!

NDNDNDND

2,171 posts

189 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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I thought the idea of speed limiters on motorbike had been permanently canned on the grounds of safety; you'll risk losing control if the power cuts during cornering.

Bob_Defly

3,991 posts

237 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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Can't you guys tell the EU to f*ck off?

sunroof

38 posts

289 months

Friday 15th October 2021
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Yeah, we've been doing that quite a lot recently. It's not working out too well.

MrGman

1,609 posts

212 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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When this comes in on cars I thought there would be a simple off switch? Won’t this be the same with bikes?

As for the idea on bikes being canned due to it being dangerous, all a bike would need is an IMU (which most will have by 2030 I’d imagine) so the bike doesn’t cut power when it knows it’s in a vulnerable position to power loss.

Kawasicki

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13,425 posts

241 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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MrGman said:
When this comes in on cars I thought there would be a simple off switch? Won’t this be the same with bikes?

As for the idea on bikes being canned due to it being dangerous, all a bike would need is an IMU (which most will have by 2030 I’d imagine) so the bike doesn’t cut power when it knows it’s in a vulnerable position to power loss.
There will be a number of years with an off-switch buried in a settings menu, then the plan is to remove that switch. It’s a soft introduction of a planned rigid control.

You are 100% correct on the IMU situation though.

Drawweight

3,060 posts

122 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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I thought the speed limiter didn’t actually cut power is just stops accelerating.

I’m not a fan obviously but if you buy a new bike it’s hardly going to take you by surprise on the first corner you go round.

‘Oh sorry we forgot to mention that’


Kawasicki

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13,425 posts

241 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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Drawweight said:
I thought the speed limiter didn’t actually cut power is just stops accelerating.

I’m not a fan obviously but if you buy a new bike it’s hardly going to take you by surprise on the first corner you go round.

‘Oh sorry we forgot to mention that’

The motorcycle is limited by reducing power.
You’re going round a slippy corner at 60mph and then the limit changes to 30mph. The motorcycle will reduce engine power and possibly even brake.

MrGman

1,609 posts

212 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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Kawasicki said:
There will be a number of years with an off-switch buried in a settings menu, then the plan is to remove that switch. It’s a soft introduction of a planned rigid control.

You are 100% correct on the IMU situation though.
Ah ok, to be honest honest I’m surprised it’s taken this long with modern technology. It really will be the end of enjoying driving/riding though.

black-k1

12,138 posts

235 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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MrGman said:
When this comes in on cars I thought there would be a simple off switch? Won’t this be the same with bikes?

As for the idea on bikes being canned due to it being dangerous, all a bike would need is an IMU (which most will have by 2030 I’d imagine) so the bike doesn’t cut power when it knows it’s in a vulnerable position to power loss.
Knows you're in a vulnerable position? Just as long as you're not half way through the overtake where the vehicle being passed was doing less than the limit but has now speeded up.

Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.

Mammasaid

4,218 posts

103 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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Kawasicki said:
Drawweight said:
I thought the speed limiter didn’t actually cut power is just stops accelerating.

I’m not a fan obviously but if you buy a new bike it’s hardly going to take you by surprise on the first corner you go round.

‘Oh sorry we forgot to mention that’

The motorcycle is limited by reducing power.
You’re going round a slippy corner at 60mph and then the limit changes to 30mph. The motorcycle will reduce engine power and possibly even brake.
Please show me a corner where the limit changes mid-corner from 60 to 30?

Zarco

18,402 posts

215 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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Meh. I'm sure there will be plenty of bikes up to 2029 to keep me busy.

I've not got passed 2005 yet.

black-k1

12,138 posts

235 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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Mammasaid said:
Please show me a corner where the limit changes mid-corner from 60 to 30?
The Road into Nowton Village from the south.

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2121571,0.7304698,...

Kawasicki

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13,425 posts

241 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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Mammasaid said:
Kawasicki said:
Drawweight said:
I thought the speed limiter didn’t actually cut power is just stops accelerating.

I’m not a fan obviously but if you buy a new bike it’s hardly going to take you by surprise on the first corner you go round.

‘Oh sorry we forgot to mention that’

The motorcycle is limited by reducing power.
You’re going round a slippy corner at 60mph and then the limit changes to 30mph. The motorcycle will reduce engine power and possibly even brake.
Please show me a corner where the limit changes mid-corner from 60 to 30?
Are there no speed limit reductions in corners? Ever?

CAPP0

19,850 posts

209 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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I abhor such proposals, whatever type of vehicle, but since the technology exists, I’m quite surprised that it hasn’t been implemented already by those who don’t know what the real world is actually like.

Similarly, average speed cameras. The Gatso only ever covered 100 yards or so of road but the average speed camera can cover many miles easily; again, whilst I hate the thought, I’m surprised that every A road and more isn’t plastered with the things.

MrGman

1,609 posts

212 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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black-k1 said:
Knows you're in a vulnerable position? Just as long as you're not half way through the overtake where the vehicle being passed was doing less than the limit but has now speeded up.

Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.
You’re not really up to date on technology are you.

Kawasicki

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13,425 posts

241 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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MrGman said:
black-k1 said:
Knows you're in a vulnerable position? Just as long as you're not half way through the overtake where the vehicle being passed was doing less than the limit but has now speeded up.

Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.
You’re not really up to date on technology are you.
I‘m fairly up on tech, I don’t see any issues with the question as posed.

MrGman

1,609 posts

212 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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Kawasicki said:
MrGman said:
black-k1 said:
Knows you're in a vulnerable position? Just as long as you're not half way through the overtake where the vehicle being passed was doing less than the limit but has now speeded up.

Not such a common occurrence in cars as they don't filter but can happen quite often on a bike.
You’re not really up to date on technology are you.
I‘m fairly up on tech, I don’t see any issues with the question as posed.
I’m no expert myself but technology moves so fast and this is ten years away.

There’s a handful of bikes already equipped with radars which track what cars are in front of you, in ten years these could easily track vehicles from all direction over a much larger area, they could even all link together within a certain moving radius, instead of limiting your power as you over take the ‘technology’ may think it’s more appropriate to stop that car from speeding up.

Can I just say, I’m firmly against all this technology but I don’t think we have a choice in our nanny state, it’s coming whether we like it or not.
I’m a strong believer that driver driven vehicles, days are numbered, and it’s closer than we think.

BobSaunders

3,041 posts

161 months

Saturday 16th October 2021
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Kawasicki said:
EU has proposed that all new motorcycles should be fitted with automatic speed limiters by 2030, similar to those fitted to cars from next year.

Er….no thanks.
At least link the article.

https://www.britishmotorcyclists.co.uk/meps-want-i...

"The European Parliament.... suggests Intelligent Speed Assistance on motorcycles"

"On the vehicle side, the Parliament calls for inclusion of vehicle safety features in the periodical technical inspections. It also calls for ABS for all motorcycles and to fit intelligent speed assistance systems in all new vehicles, including motorcycles. Also, eCall should be fitted on motorcycles."
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Comment from FEMA General Secretary Dolf Willigers -

"Dolf continues: “We do not support any technical features that take away the control of the motorcycle from the rider and therefore – although we understand the need to reduce speed in certain situations – we see any kind of Intelligent Speed Assistance that interferes with engine control as a danger for motorcyclists, as we have already discussed with the European Commission in 2019. The Commission agreed with us that you cannot just fit ISA on motorcycles.”

the report itself -

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/A-9-...

"....which should also require high-performing intelligent speed assistance systems to be fitted in all new vehicles; calls on the Commission, in this regard, to consider the practical application of making it compulsory to equip motorcycles with these systems and the feasibility, acceptability and possible implications for road safety of next-generation intelligent speed assistance for cars, vans, trucks and buses;"


Edited by BobSaunders on Saturday 16th October 11:24