"Retro-style" starter bike: Kawasaki W800 or alternatives?
"Retro-style" starter bike: Kawasaki W800 or alternatives?
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white_goodman

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4,527 posts

221 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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I'm taking a DAS training course next month, have picked up all my riding gear and am now starting to seriously look at bikes. My initial thought was to get a Suzuki SV650, as it appears to be the MX5 of the bike world! Decent power but not OTT, Suzuki reliability, looks good, interesting /entertaining enough to keep for a while and grow into, quite good value nearly new but it appears that many have thought similar and for some reason, the insurance appears to be quite high on them.

I have looked at a few alternatives. BMW G310 and Kawasaki Z400 look fairly decent for "small" bikes but still slightly "toy-like", I'm not a big guy (around 5'8", 150 pounds on a good day) but I am in my early 40s, so want something that looks like a proper bike and I'm concerned that if I went for the BMW/Z400, I would want to upgrade in a year or so, so it seems like a bit of a costly exercise in that respect.

A local bike shop to me has a 2019 Kawasaki W800 Street with low miles for around 6k, which seems fairly reasonable. I thought that being an 800cc the insurance might be quite high but to my (pleasant) surprise it was around the same as the BMW/Z400. I guess that although the engine is relatively big, it has a fairly low power output but plenty of torque. I could see it being a bike that I would be happy to keep for a few years. Would this be a good bike to start on? Are there any similar style bikes that would be good alternatives? I don't want a sports bike and like the retro-style bikes but don't want a cruiser. Taking a look around, other bikes that appear to offer similar are the Moto Guzzi V7, Triumph Bonneville/Street Twin, Ducati Scrambler etc, although I find the Bonneville/Scrambler ranges a little confusing. Do they do a 900cc and a 1200cc Bonneville, as I would imagine that the 900cc version would be sufficient?

Not looking to spend more than about 5-6k outright (no finance), I'm a little clueless about bikes, so would like something fairly new (but not brand new) and preferably with some driver aids like ABS/slip-and-assist clutch for safety. Any advice would be most welcome.

HalfManHalfJaffaCake

112 posts

80 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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W800 is fine, but have you looked at Royal Enfield? Brand new Interceptor 650s are around your budget and seem well-regarded.

carinaman

25,268 posts

202 months

white_goodman

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221 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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carinaman said:
The new Trident looks like a fantastic bike and very competitively priced but same issue on the insurance as the SV650.

white_goodman

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221 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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HalfManHalfJaffaCake said:
W800 is fine, but have you looked at Royal Enfield? Brand new Interceptor 650s are around your budget and seem well-regarded.
Thanks for the suggestion, will add it to the list. Reliability up there with the Japanese bikes?

Wacky Racer

41,383 posts

277 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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Royal Enfield Interceptor, around 6k, 100% reliable, nice range of colours, cheap insurance, owners love 'em look up reviews on Youtube.

spaximus

4,365 posts

283 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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I did the same and passed direct access at the age of 62. I looked at all sorts and tried the Royal Enfield interceptor, which was okay but the seating position was not ideal.

I bought a New Street Twin which is great. Plenty about at around your budget I would suggest.

I like the cast wheels as cleaning chromed spokes unless you love cleaning is a tedious job and the street twin has them where as the Enfield is spoked

white_goodman

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Tuesday 6th April 2021
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Hmm. Perhaps it's my area. I like the XSR700 too, it's a cool bike but I would suggest it's in that more powerful 650cc "sportier" naked bike class. Basically a "retro" version of an MT-07, so insurance comes out a lot higher on that for me. Which bike is she leaning towards at the moment?

_Neal_

2,954 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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If you like the naked style of a Trident/SV650 you could see how much insurance is on a BMW f800R. I've been pleased with mine and insurance (for me at least) was half what it would be on a Street Triple/Ducati Monster/Kawasaki Z750 etc. Of your picks above I'd go for a Ducati Scrambler (in yellow) - feels like the best all rounder.

How much are your insurance quotes, just out of interest?

ETA - ER6-N may be worth a look? Either way enjoy the test rides - it'll be your first big bike so what's not to like?!

Edited by _Neal_ on Tuesday 6th April 22:20

white_goodman

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Tuesday 6th April 2021
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_Neal_ said:
If you like the naked style of a Trident/SV650 you could see how much insurance is on a BMW f800R. I've been pleased with mine and insurance (for me at least) was half what it would be on a Street Triple/Ducati Monster/Kawasaki Z750 etc. Of your picks above I'd go for a Ducati Scrambler (in yellow) - feels like the best all rounder.

How much are your insurance quotes, just out of interest?
Thanks. 500-1000 pounds.

_Neal_

2,954 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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That's not too bad for those kind of bikes I don't think - mine was between 400 and 900 pounds when I came back to biking last year, early 40s, zero no claims, but held a licence for 12 years.


Pothole

34,367 posts

312 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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Guzzi V7 all the way. You'll meet some great people...and maybe me.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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white_goodman said:
Thanks. 500-1000 pounds.
Are you in the South East? That seems like quite a bit

AceOfHearts

5,957 posts

221 months

Tuesday 6th April 2021
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I have an Interceptor 650 and it would be great as a first big bike.

Enough power to be interesting, comfortable, super easy to ride, handles well and looks great. Plus they are great value for money (I paid £4000 for mine, 2019 with 5000 miles)

The only real criticism I have is that I also have a Bullet Classic 500, and in comparison the Interceptor lacks character and I don't 'love' it in the same way despite being better in every way

Rhonda

1,795 posts

277 months

Wednesday 7th April 2021
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I had a 2018 Triumph street scrambler scrambler that was great, pretty much the same bike as the street twin but with upswept exhausts. The street twin/scrambler had a power and brake upgrade from 2019.

They seem to hold their money well, kept it for 14 months and sold it for 100 quid less than I paid for it from a main dealer.

crofty1984

17,064 posts

234 months

Wednesday 7th April 2021
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Wacky Racer said:
Royal Enfield Interceptor, around 6k, 100% reliable, nice range of colours, cheap insurance, owners love 'em look up reviews on Youtube.
Great fun to ride. I had a deposit on one, my first ever properly new bike then had to cancel and buy a house. frown
Don't confuse them with the Enfield of the 90's early 2000's which were just bikes that were out of date in the 60s, built in India with worn out tools. These are new ground-up designs, following massive investment with an eye to the worldwide market. Frames by Harris and they have a UK development centre. Built to a budget, so not super-modern to notch everything, but good where it counts.

Iminquarantine

2,168 posts

74 months

Saturday 17th April 2021
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HalfManHalfJaffaCake said:
W800 is fine, but have you looked at Royal Enfield? Brand new Interceptor 650s are around your budget and seem well-regarded.
Another vote for Royal Enfield. Enough power for a first bike and much more interesting than the SV650 which is as OP says, dead boring.

Another option for retro looking newish bikes, with more grunt, is the Honda CB1300 or 1100.

GadgeS3C

4,727 posts

194 months

Saturday 17th April 2021
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Iminquarantine said:
Another vote for Royal Enfield. Enough power for a first bike and much more interesting than the SV650 which is as OP says, dead boring.

Another option for retro looking newish bikes, with more grunt, is the Honda CB1300 or 1100.
SV650's may be as common as MX5's but I wouldn't describe them as boring. I bought one as a commuter in 2001 and I enjoyed riding it much more than the 900SS I also had. I still have it because it's not worth selling and I still enjoy riding it.

Now F800GT's they're boring wink



Matt_Zeus

166 posts

126 months

Saturday 17th April 2021
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I was looking at similar bikes recently (not my first bike though) and settled on a Honda Rebel 500. I'm 5'8 and around 12stone
I've previously had a Street Triple and a Gladius (sv650) and either of those would also be great for a first bike.
The Royal Enfields look great, but didn't have a good experience with a couple of dealers when looking
I fell in love with a moto guzzi V7ii but the Rebel is something I've wanted for a while so took the plunge

tdm34

7,500 posts

240 months

Sunday 18th April 2021
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GadgeS3C said:
Iminquarantine said:
Another vote for Royal Enfield. Enough power for a first bike and much more interesting than the SV650 which is as OP says, dead boring.

Another option for retro looking newish bikes, with more grunt, is the Honda CB1300 or 1100.
SV650's may be as common as MX5's but I wouldn't describe them as boring. I bought one as a commuter in 2001 and I enjoyed riding it much more than the 900SS I also had. I still have it because it's not worth selling and I still enjoy riding it.

Now F800GT's they're boring wink
Honda CB1300 is a fabulous bike, grunty as herd of buffalo, handling superb, build quality off the scale, and reliable as gravity.