What's going on with bike insurance?
What's going on with bike insurance?
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chappj

Original Poster:

364 posts

173 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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I've been away from bike ownership for 5yrs and was about to pull the trigger on a '21 R1250GSA TE Rallye as I don't want to get on the train when returning to the office. Insurance quotes are coming in at £1200 for SDP+commute if I keep in a locked garage or £1900 on driveway!! Wow that wasn't expected...

Any recommendations on how to bring this down or do I just need to suck this up given my 5yr absence?

For background I passed bike test in '96 and last bike was a R1200GSA (which cost me circa £100/yr to insure).


trickywoo

14,237 posts

260 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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Its the lack of NCD and a new bike to you thats pushing it up.

Once you've had it a year it should come down a lot.

Dog Star

17,628 posts

198 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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I'm not sure what you're expecting - no NCB and a brand new 20K (guessing) bike - and quotes for leaving it on the street? yikes
I've noticed that when I get a brand new bike it is very expensive in year one and drops considerably by year 3.


LuS1fer

43,543 posts

275 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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Probably age and area. I went back to biking in 2013 with zero NCD at age 54 and paid around £120 on an MSX125. After 3 years, I was insuring a new Suzuki SV650S for £89 (locked inside - SDP and commute).

Obviously, your choice is rather more expensive.

TimmyMallett

3,198 posts

142 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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I've just come back to biking so I'm 49 with 0 NCD, garaged and 170 fully comp for a 10 year old bike.

I'm guessing your area is hammering you, and the bike is very nickable, then the additional NDC factor.

KTMsm

28,982 posts

293 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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Buy a cheaper / lower insurance bike for a year


bogie

17,100 posts

302 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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Usually the first 1-2 years of NCB knocks 40-50% off of that. The highest claim rate is supposedly from new riders in first 2 years of riding or riders coming back later in life. Get 1-2 years and it will be much better.


sooty61

750 posts

201 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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TimmyMallett said:
I've just come back to biking so I'm 49 with 0 NCD, garaged and 170 fully comp for a 10 year old bike.

I'm guessing your area is hammering you, and the bike is very nickable, then the additional NDC factor.
I guess it must be this. I have been riding for 5 years and had a £20k bike from the start. My premiums have come down from just over £300 to just under £200 p.a. I don't commute and store it in a locked garage though

chappj

Original Poster:

364 posts

173 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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The spread in quotes has been insane. Now ranging from £900 - £2700!

I've had an enduro bike insured for the past 2yrs and just spoke with that company and although the policy doesn't accrue no claims discount, apparently it should help if companies will mirror.

My postcode is low risk so this must all be down to lack of NCD.

chappj

Original Poster:

364 posts

173 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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Dog Star said:
I'm not sure what you're expecting - no NCB and a brand new 20K (guessing) bike - and quotes for leaving it on the street? yikes
I've noticed that when I get a brand new bike it is very expensive in year one and drops considerably by year 3.
I was expecting somewhere between £300-£500. Bike won't be parked on street.

wa16

2,423 posts

251 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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keep your nose clean for at least a year and it'll come down
advanced quals/courses don't make a difference to the base premium, despite what they say, but might indirectly by not having a bump for longer hence a lower premium

incidentally, did you tick datatool tracking and do they make you pay a subscription or is it all in the cost of the bike?

vonhosen

40,597 posts

247 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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datatool is included for the first year on new BMW bike, then subscription after that.

croyde

26,457 posts

260 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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I'm getting quotes of 800 from unknown companies and starting at 1200 from known companies for the same bike.

I live on the edge of London and said garaged. I'm 58 with 10 years continuous NCD.

I thought that reasonable for such an expensive bike.

I was paying £400 third party only for my Vespa in a SW London area. It's worth about £500.

towser44

4,221 posts

145 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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I'm coming back to the fold soon. Had my licence for 21 years, am 39 years old. Not had a bike for 10 years, so nil no claims.

Had quotes of just over £500 Fully Comp for a ZZR1400, V-Strom 1000 and a 1000RR Blade, down to £130 Fully Comp for a Deauville. All bikes around the £5,000 - £7,000 price range and insurance was for keeping on driveway (though it will actually be in the locked back garden, but that wasn't an option with The Bike Insurer online).

Wonderman

3,053 posts

225 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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towser44 said:
I'm coming back to the fold soon. Had my licence for 21 years, am 39 years old. Not had a bike for 10 years, so nil no claims.

Had quotes of just over £500 Fully Comp for a ZZR1400, V-Strom 1000 and a 1000RR Blade, down to £130 Fully Comp for a Deauville. All bikes around the £5,000 - £7,000 price range and insurance was for keeping on driveway (though it will actually be in the locked back garden, but that wasn't an option with The Bike Insurer online).
Compare via Autotrader has "on private land" as an option as was playing with a return on a Ducati Monster 1200 of similar value/ set up as you, but home counties with work came out at ~£600, not surprised at the BMW quote given value of bike/ popular theft in London etc.

poo at Paul's

14,620 posts

205 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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towser44 said:
I'm coming back to the fold soon. Had my licence for 21 years, am 39 years old. Not had a bike for 10 years, so nil no claims.

Had quotes of just over £500 Fully Comp for a ZZR1400,
That's good. They're ace!

LordFlathead

9,646 posts

288 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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1) You could ask Adrian Flux if they will give you one year complimentary insurance as you have lapsed your policy.. I was 3 years without renewing and they gave me a year to get me started. As others have stated the first year will help.

2) If you haven't got a garage do not insure it as "in drive". Cars benefit from being parked in your own drive but bikes do not. Put it in the house if you can and it will give you the same cover as garage, which for insurance purposes is, "Brick-built building".

3) Going forwards - buy the cheapest non-runner motorcycle for around £100 and just put it in your garden under a cover. Now insure it for "act only" which is the cheapest form of insurance and it does not include fire and theft. You are buying your no-claims bonus and it is completely legal as long as your premiums are next to nothing (ie £50 a year). If buying from a scrapyard (like I did) ensure the bike has not been marked as "permanently scrapped" as it shows up like on the insurance database.


Stuart Fordyce

2,547 posts

91 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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TBH you can see why some folk just don't bother. Insurance is stupid money (no claims or points since I passed my test in 2004), premium almost always over 25% of the bike's value, except bizarrely when I owned a Ducati. I resent paying for it every year as usually get quoted a huge excess as well.

Get an F650GS single for a year while you get back into it and get the big GS in a year's time.

chappj

Original Poster:

364 posts

173 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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It's reassuring to hear (unfortunately) that others in a similar situation have experienced the same problem. After much time spent on the phone to various companies I've managed to get the premium down to £800 fully comprehensive, but with a £1k excess.

Bike ordered and will hopefully be ready for 30th next week!

Now need to research riding gear as I threw out all of mine when I stopped commuting on a bike 5yrs ago...

fastbikes76

2,450 posts

152 months

Friday 26th March 2021
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I don’t think it’s the lack of NCB and more the value/bike.

I’ve recently returned after a 10 year hiatus post multiple surgeries after a crash.

First bike I insured last year was a 1991 GSXR750 slingshot for £120 with zero NCB.

Couple of months later I bought a B-King and had to put that on separate policy again with zero NCB and that was £300.

Bought the wife a GS500 and insured that for £75.

Granted none of them are 20k bikes, but parts for a B-king are astronomical and the smallest spill ends in total loss and payout usually, so quite high category.

Might be worth getting quotes on other bikes you fancy to see if they are more realistic in price ?

Good luck !