Discussion
Should anyone be interested in locals thoughts on next years TT there is a thread running here.
https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic...
https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic...
I've had a read through and its just a typical forum, no-one knows the facts and everyone is speculating, I can't see it happening myself and I was planning to go next year but I'll not be booking anything, whether it actually returns to the island is an interesting point, it might never, which will be a huge loss but the endless pursuit of faster and faster lap times will eventually be the end of the event in my opinion, I watch the footage each year with an ever increasing knot in my stomach.
Sadly, I am sure it won’t be on next year, not with spectators anyway and dubious viability without.
There is a proper chance the TT is over. Covid aside, there was an impact from the death of Dan Kneen and subsequent f
k up resulting is the horrific course car incident. It’s had ramifications for many Motorsport event organisers since. Covid brings a whole new level of WTFness to it.
It’s a good point about the marshalls. Many are not in the best of health but bring with them years of experience and enthusiasm which cannot easily be replaced by the likes of G4S!
I’m glad I went for the last few years, not sure we will see it again, sadly.
As for the rest of the IOM, we are I. The rare breed of people who visit also when TT is not on. It has some stunning empty beaches and scenery, but ultimately is a small island. TT brings a whole different vibe to the island though. Without the TT there Will have to be lots of changes to their tourism industry. It’s changed a lot over the years, but this would be th biggest change I think.
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am. TT as we know it is RIP I reckon.
There is a proper chance the TT is over. Covid aside, there was an impact from the death of Dan Kneen and subsequent f
k up resulting is the horrific course car incident. It’s had ramifications for many Motorsport event organisers since. Covid brings a whole new level of WTFness to it. It’s a good point about the marshalls. Many are not in the best of health but bring with them years of experience and enthusiasm which cannot easily be replaced by the likes of G4S!
I’m glad I went for the last few years, not sure we will see it again, sadly.
As for the rest of the IOM, we are I. The rare breed of people who visit also when TT is not on. It has some stunning empty beaches and scenery, but ultimately is a small island. TT brings a whole different vibe to the island though. Without the TT there Will have to be lots of changes to their tourism industry. It’s changed a lot over the years, but this would be th biggest change I think.
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am. TT as we know it is RIP I reckon.
Davetheraver said:
Should anyone be interested in locals thoughts on next years TT there is a thread running here.
https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic...
still as friendly as ever those jolly manx folks.......https://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic...
I think it will come back but more than likely 2022. The IOM tourism industry would fizzle out without it, if it hasn't done already.
zeb said:
still as friendly as ever those jolly manx folks.......
I think it will come back but more than likely 2022. The IOM tourism industry would fizzle out without it, if it hasn't done already.
Haha.I think it will come back but more than likely 2022. The IOM tourism industry would fizzle out without it, if it hasn't done already.
It really wouldn’t. The TT costs the government money to run each year.
Granted it keeps a few campsites going and a few ice cream shops etc, but overall it costs more than it brings in. Especially when you factor in all the local businesses that have to effectively close for four weeks of the year.
trickywoo said:
Would the Steam Packet, for one, keep running as it is without the TT?
Despite being a financial hub I’d be surprised if the island as a whole would be as well off without the TT.
Yes. Nearly all the steam packets money comes from freight.Despite being a financial hub I’d be surprised if the island as a whole would be as well off without the TT.
The TT costs more than it generates. Think about the costs and it’s not that hard to work out
Davetheraver said:
Yes. Nearly all the steam packets money comes from freight.
The TT costs more than it generates. Think about the costs and it’s not that hard to work out
The TT and Festival of Motor Sport cost the IOM gov about £1mill a year.The TT costs more than it generates. Think about the costs and it’s not that hard to work out
How much do the local businesses get and the gov get back in tax?
poo at Paul's said:
Sadly, I am sure it won’t be on next year, not with spectators anyway and dubious viability without.
There is a proper chance the TT is over. Covid aside, there was an impact from the death of Dan Kneen and subsequent fk up resulting is the horrific course car incident. It’s had ramifications for many Motorsport event organisers since. Covid brings a whole new level of WTFness to it.
It’s a good point about the marshalls. Many are not in the best of health but bring with them years of experience and enthusiasm which cannot easily be replaced by the likes of G4S!
I’m glad I went for the last few years, not sure we will see it again, sadly.
As for the rest of the IOM, we are I. The rare breed of people who visit also when TT is not on. It has some stunning empty beaches and scenery, but ultimately is a small island. TT brings a whole different vibe to the island though. Without the TT there Will have to be lots of changes to their tourism industry. It’s changed a lot over the years, but this would be th biggest change I think.
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am. TT as we know it is RIP I reckon.
Been many times but thousands of miles away now , care to explain the course car incident as I've not heard about that . Totally understand if you'd rather not .There is a proper chance the TT is over. Covid aside, there was an impact from the death of Dan Kneen and subsequent f
k up resulting is the horrific course car incident. It’s had ramifications for many Motorsport event organisers since. Covid brings a whole new level of WTFness to it. It’s a good point about the marshalls. Many are not in the best of health but bring with them years of experience and enthusiasm which cannot easily be replaced by the likes of G4S!
I’m glad I went for the last few years, not sure we will see it again, sadly.
As for the rest of the IOM, we are I. The rare breed of people who visit also when TT is not on. It has some stunning empty beaches and scenery, but ultimately is a small island. TT brings a whole different vibe to the island though. Without the TT there Will have to be lots of changes to their tourism industry. It’s changed a lot over the years, but this would be th biggest change I think.
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am. TT as we know it is RIP I reckon.
I was raised in the IOM, being born in the 50’s. Growing up I remember the summers of 1000’s of tourists plus the 2 weeks of the TT where the world descended on the island. Freddy Laker in the late 60’s just about killed off the general tourists and the IOM reinvented itself into a financial hub. The days of having to wait 15 minutes to cross the road due to the sheer volume of motorbikes passed finished by the end of the 60’s. yes the TT continued but much subdued.
Many many locals would be glad to see the back of the TT for the inconvenience it brings and I fear C19, recent tragic accidents and changing tastes will see the end of this spectacle.
I read that some of the few remaining hotels In Douglas are now for sale, so perhaps tourism in general is done for.
Sad, but time moves on.
Many many locals would be glad to see the back of the TT for the inconvenience it brings and I fear C19, recent tragic accidents and changing tastes will see the end of this spectacle.
I read that some of the few remaining hotels In Douglas are now for sale, so perhaps tourism in general is done for.
Sad, but time moves on.
Edited by e600 on Tuesday 15th September 02:16
fttm said:
poo at Paul's said:
Sadly, I am sure it won’t be on next year, not with spectators anyway and dubious viability without.
There is a proper chance the TT is over. Covid aside, there was an impact from the death of Dan Kneen and subsequent fk up resulting is the horrific course car incident. It’s had ramifications for many Motorsport event organisers since. Covid brings a whole new level of WTFness to it.
It’s a good point about the marshalls. Many are not in the best of health but bring with them years of experience and enthusiasm which cannot easily be replaced by the likes of G4S!
I’m glad I went for the last few years, not sure we will see it again, sadly.
As for the rest of the IOM, we are I. The rare breed of people who visit also when TT is not on. It has some stunning empty beaches and scenery, but ultimately is a small island. TT brings a whole different vibe to the island though. Without the TT there Will have to be lots of changes to their tourism industry. It’s changed a lot over the years, but this would be th biggest change I think.
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am. TT as we know it is RIP I reckon.
Been many times but thousands of miles away now , care to explain the course car incident as I've not heard about that . Totally understand if you'd rather not .There is a proper chance the TT is over. Covid aside, there was an impact from the death of Dan Kneen and subsequent f
k up resulting is the horrific course car incident. It’s had ramifications for many Motorsport event organisers since. Covid brings a whole new level of WTFness to it. It’s a good point about the marshalls. Many are not in the best of health but bring with them years of experience and enthusiasm which cannot easily be replaced by the likes of G4S!
I’m glad I went for the last few years, not sure we will see it again, sadly.
As for the rest of the IOM, we are I. The rare breed of people who visit also when TT is not on. It has some stunning empty beaches and scenery, but ultimately is a small island. TT brings a whole different vibe to the island though. Without the TT there Will have to be lots of changes to their tourism industry. It’s changed a lot over the years, but this would be th biggest change I think.
I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am. TT as we know it is RIP I reckon.
fttm said:
Been many times but thousands of miles away now , care to explain the course car incident as I've not heard about that . Totally understand if you'd rather not .
I can only really go on memory, so maybe a bit hazy, but after the practice crash that killed Dan Kneen up near Conkers, as he was in the first 10 or so riders through and it happened about 3 miles from Ramsey, there were loads of riders behind that were stopped and held. A few in leading group were stopped ahead of the accident of course. After the necessary delay, police investigation etc, the riders from front main group were allowed to go back to pits normal way, Ie from in front of accident, but everyone behind was held. A course car came from pits and was stopping at Marshall points giving instructions for return to pits, and it seems riders were Being told to go back wrong way in groups, so as to avoid going through accident scene.
Somehow, a group was returning from maybe ginger hall area somewhere like that, and met the course car doing 100odd mph toward them a few miles outside Kirkmichael.........head on crash with one main rider and several others involved.
Serious incident, inquiry was held but is not public so no one really knows exactly what happened and why but it was a dark day for many reasons.
Again don’t shoot me if details are wrong, I was there but we had limited info available.
the tribester said:
I don't believe that is the case.
Based on what though. I live here, know loads of people who work for the steam packet and see the freight coming on and off everyday.Pretty sure they would rather run a freight only service if they could but to be allowed by government to run freight they have to do passengers as part of that agreement.
For TT they have to physically install a new deck (expensive) and charter another freight vessel (expensive) as all the space on the boats is taken by visitors.
As a local who loves the TT I really can’t see it running in the recognised format again
Davetheraver said:
the tribester said:
I don't believe that is the case.
Based on what though. I live here, know loads of people who work for the steam packet and see the freight coming on and off everyday.Pretty sure they would rather run a freight only service if they could but to be allowed by government to run freight they have to do passengers as part of that agreement.
For TT they have to physically install a new deck (expensive) and charter another freight vessel (expensive) as all the space on the boats is taken by visitors.
As a local who loves the TT I really can’t see it running in the recognised format again
and this link to account information http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=51432&...
only for 2018 trading figures, ''Passenger revenue was £29,658,578, up from £29,560,269 in 2017. Freight revenue was £22,939,297 (£21,589,530 in 2017).''
Davetheraver said:
The TT costs more than it generates. Think about the costs and it’s not that hard to work out
The Isle of Man government website reports that in 2019, visitors to the TT spent an estimated £37.5 million, contributing £27.1 million to the local economy. Whilst I appreciate it costs a lot to run the whole event and everything around it, is it really that high? Unfortunately I can see they were running a survey to work out the true costs, but I can't find any results. Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff