London ULEZ from next year includes bikes.

[croyde]

There is a couple of threads about the new ULEZ that comes in next year for the central London CC zone but then extended out to the North and South Circulars by 2021 capturing not only a lot of commuters but 100,000s if not millions of residents, including me.

Basically any petrol car pre 2006, any motorbike pre 2006 and and diesel car pre 2015, will have to pay a daily £12.50 to enter the zone 24 hours, 7 days a week.

Thus residents that have not 'upgraded' will be paying over £4500 a year for the privilege of owning their own car/bike unless they can park it out of site of the cameras and never use it.

This is gonna stuff a lot of bike commuters as plenty use old snotters to ride into the London because of astronomic theft levels plus the fact that insurers don't want to know if you have a newer bike.

I live just within the South Circular and was using my bike to get to jobs in central London. My 2009 Vespa got nicked whilst I was in the middle of moving back to London and I have since been looking at older bikes to use for the commute but now will be forced to buy something newer.

Walking around my area in SW London I have noticed that most car owners will have a big expense coming up as will a lot of bike owners.

There is a checker on the TFL site where you can put your reg number in to see if you are compliant or not. The years above are not set in stone as there are anomalies. My mate's Aprilia 850 is 2008 but not compliant.

How many of you are gonna be feked by this?

[sjtscott]

Already sorted, realised my 2006 Blackbird wouldn't qualify so traded it way early before the rush started - in Feb 16 Good excuse to change anyway to a 2011 Speed Triple.
Some people on here said I was wrong to predict the glut of pre July 2007 bikes causing any issues to the London Area bike market in terms of price/ability to sell (even to people outside of London) but hey I'm still waiting to be proved wrong.

Be careful with the TFL checker - its been proven not to be 100% accurate!! Its worth double checking stuff - its telling me my current ancient but amazingly reliable 'burner' £1k value family car which sits at home for 95% of the time is compliant and its July 2001 registered I see no point having a nice car degrading/devaluing or sitting on the vandals and thieves radar in London.

Edited by sjtscott on Monday 25th June 11:46

[Lee540]

I managed to get a new job sorted in Hampshire which I start in 3 weeks as opposed to commuting into central London everyday..

ULEZ is a nonsense.. god knows why it applies to motorbikes?! but I wasn't going to buy something newer, more difficult to insure and more likely to be stolen that I'll only use for work.

[croyde]

When my 2009 Vespa went bye byes in Jan, I decided not to claim as I didn't want to get ruined by my car and bike insurance quotes for the next 5 years.

I had bought the Vespa in 2015 for £1300 and had not realised what a bargain I had. The access on the insurance was £895 so I thought 'why bother'.

I screwed up there as looking on eBay and in shops, 2009 GT300s are priced at £2.5k and a lot more.

Looking to only spend £1500 gets me a 2005 which is NOT ULEZ compliant.

It's already hard enough living in London even on an above average wage so I don't understand why a Labour Mayor is effectively taxing the poorer hard working people struggling to make ends meet and hence running older cars and bikes.

His blurb is that everyone can use public transport, but if everyone did it would fall apart. It is already overcrowded, expensive and running at capacity. Often fails, especially the trains and in the end only really works for the 9 to 5 workers.

Try getting into work before 6am or getting home after 11pm. Yep I know there are night buses Mr Khan but as I found out the other day when finishing work at the O2 in Greenwich Peninsula at 2am on a Monday morning, it's either 3 night buses (plus an increased chance of getting stabbed) and 2 hours to commute the 12 miles home or a 30 min drive in my car.

After a 12 hour shift, I know which one I'd prefer.

[sjtscott]

croyde said:

When my 2009 Vespa went bye byes in Jan, I decided not to claim as I didn't want to get ruined by my car and bike insurance quotes for the next 5 years.

I had bought the Vespa in 2015 for £1300 and had not realised what a bargain I had. The access on the insurance was £895 so I thought 'why bother'.

I screwed up there as looking on eBay and in shops, 2009 GT300s are priced at £2.5k and a lot more.

Looking to only spend £1500 gets me a 2005 which is NOT ULEZ compliant.

It's already hard enough living in London even on an above average wage so I don't understand why a Labour Mayor is effectively taxing the poorer hard working people struggling to make ends meet and hence running older cars and bikes.

His blurb is that everyone can use public transport, but if everyone did it would fall apart. It is already overcrowded, expensive and running at capacity. Often fails, especially the trains and in the end only really works for the 9 to 5 workers.

Try getting into work before 6am or getting home after 11pm. Yep I know there are night buses Mr Khan but as I found out the other day when finishing work at the O2 in Greenwich Peninsula at 2am on a Monday morning, it's either 3 night buses (plus an increased chance of getting stabbed) and 2 hours to commute the 12 miles home or a 30 min drive in my car.

After a 12 hour shift, I know which one I'd prefer.

Well I think you'll have to look at something else (could you get by on a 125?) or just stump up the extra 1k.. its a sad situation.
Given its approx £12 a day for something which doesn't meet the exemption which works out as approx £60 a week mon-Fri, you'll break even at just under 20weeks travel after that Mr Khan is effectively just making money off you. Personally however hard it may be try to stump up the £1000 extra and just think after using it 20weeks you'll start to be up on the deal.

[myvision]

I thought it was 1st July 2007 limit for the bikes so to be safe it was a 57 plate and up needed?
I'll have to get rid of my 52 plate hornet.


I've been looking at the deals on the CB650f and the MT07 anyone own one of these which is the best of the two?

[catso]

Non of my bikes are ULEZ compliant, non will be going into the zone either.

Seems harsh on commuters, especially given the theft issues with newer bikes, I'm glad I don't live down that London way.

[mad4amanda]

myvision said:

I thought it was 1st July 2007 limit for the bikes so to be safe it was a 57 plate and up needed?
I'll have to get rid of my 52 plate hornet.


I've been looking at the deals on the CB650f and the MT07 anyone own one of these which is the best of the two?

cb650f available with 0% new till the end of the week too

[So]

croyde said:

Basically any petrol car pre 2006, any motorbike pre 2006 and and diesel car pre 2015, will have to pay a daily £12.50 to enter the zone 24 hours, 7 days a week.

?

My diesel Range Rover is pre2015 and isn't affected.

[AlunJ]

myvision said:

I thought it was 1st July 2007 limit for the bikes so to be safe it was a 57 plate and up needed?
I'll have to get rid of my 52 plate hornet.


I've been looking at the deals on the CB650f and the MT07 anyone own one of these which is the best of the two?

I have the faired version - CBR650f and can't fault it but not tried an MT07, supposedly more fun?

[croyde]

So said:

My diesel Range Rover is pre2015 and isn't affected.

Yeah there are exceptions like my mate's Aprilia. It's a 2008 but not compliant.

I should have worded it most pre 2015 diesels.......

You have to stick your registration number into the site to get a current yes or no but some are saying they are getting different answers now compared to a few weeks ago.

Just beware. The ones in charge told us to buy diesel then said CO2 was bad and now it's something else.

My low CO2 1998 e36 is not compliant yet my now sold 2016 Mustang GT with a very high CO2 output is compliant.

[matthias73]

My e46 330i is compliant.


Which is a nonsense, frankly.

[Gavia]

croyde said:

When my 2009 Vespa went bye byes in Jan, I decided not to claim as I didn't want to get ruined by my car and bike insurance quotes for the next 5 years.

I had bought the Vespa in 2015 for £1300 and had not realised what a bargain I had. The access on the insurance was £895 so I thought 'why bother'.

I screwed up there as looking on eBay and in shops, 2009 GT300s are priced at £2.5k and a lot more.

Looking to only spend £1500 gets me a 2005 which is NOT ULEZ compliant.

It's already hard enough living in London even on an above average wage so I don't understand why a Labour Mayor is effectively taxing the poorer hard working people struggling to make ends meet and hence running older cars and bikes.

His blurb is that everyone can use public transport, but if everyone did it would fall apart. It is already overcrowded, expensive and running at capacity. Often fails, especially the trains and in the end only really works for the 9 to 5 workers.

Try getting into work before 6am or getting home after 11pm. Yep I know there are night buses Mr Khan but as I found out the other day when finishing work at the O2 in Greenwich Peninsula at 2am on a Monday morning, it's either 3 night buses (plus an increased chance of getting stabbed) and 2 hours to commute the 12 miles home or a 30 min drive in my car.

After a 12 hour shift, I know which one I'd prefer.

Nothing to stop you claiming now if you want to. It might take a bit longer amd there might be a few more questions to answer but they can’t reject your claim, just for the time delay.

[The Selfish Gene]

it's only 60 quid fine if your number plate has fallen off

[croyde]

Gavia said:

Nothing to stop you claiming now if you want to. It might take a bit longer amd there might be a few more questions to answer but they can’t reject your claim, just for the time delay.

Thanks but I did cancel the insurance after it was stolen. It was still within 14 days of taking out the policy so I was hoping to get a decent wedge back and I was a bit skint.

Unfortunately that wasn't to be.

Unless you are saying that as I was effectively insured when the bike got stolen, I can still claim?

But in your experience if I had claimed how would that have affected my premiums for my car over the next 5 years?

Cheers for your input.

[Gavia]

croyde said:

Thanks but I did cancel the insurance after it was stolen. It was still within 14 days of taking out the policy so I was hoping to get a decent wedge back and I was a bit skint.

Unfortunately that wasn't to be.

Unless you are saying that as I was effectively insured when the bike got stolen, I can still claim?

But in your experience if I had claimed how would that have affected my premiums for my car over the next 5 years?

Cheers for your input.

An, of you cancelled within the 14 days then claiming will be a struggle. However, they should have refunded all of your premium, less a reasonable charge (no more than £50) amd a small charge for the time on cover, so no more than 14/365.

What did you get back out of your initial payment?

Happy to help,if they’re trying to stiff you.

Too many variables in trying to work out impact on other insurance.. my car was stolen in January and the impact on that wasn’t huge, the impact on my van after shopping around was nil, but the bikes were a nightmare and took a lot of knowledge and effort to get them back to a reasonable price, even then they had stupid excesses, which I insured elsewhere. .

[croyde]

Cheers.

The policy was cheap as the only company that would quote below 500 quid for an old Vespa and an oldish rider.

It was £120 but only got £60 back.

I do everything to keep a clean sheet as far as insurance goes and have proudly had no claims for decades or convictions. Picked up a SP30 last year thus the thought of adding a theft claim was too much.

Little knowing how much my Vespa would really cost to replace, until I looked.

[Gavia]

croyde said:

Cheers.

The policy was cheap as the only company that would quote below 500 quid for an old Vespa and an oldish rider.

It was £120 but only got £60 back.

I do everything to keep a clean sheet as far as insurance goes and have proudly had no claims for decades or convictions. Picked up a SP30 last year thus the thought of adding a theft claim was too much.

Little knowing how much my Vespa would really cost to replace, until I looked.

Bugger, looks like you’ve got back a reasonable amount, based on fixed costs, which is a shame. It is technically possible to still make the claim, the full premium will need to be paid though and any excess applied. It’s a bit of a faff to do it, but could try if you want. If you want to try, there’s a few things we need to do, but can’t do anything til next week, as I’m off to live like a hippy out of my van in Wales and enjoy this heatwave.

[croyde]

I suppose there will be the usual having to show the real cost of a replacement.

Interested to know what's involved but go and enjoy Wales in the sun.

Ta.

[Sea Demon]

Would ANPR read an updside down plate? Correct plate, & being displayed

As of April 2019 bikes heading into the ULEZ will need to have a Euro 3 engine or made 2007 onwards.

Im on a 99 Fireblade so my bike is especially dangerous