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Weather looked ominous later on in the race. Statement move from Jorge Martin, Bagnaia seemed to go backwards after that. Timely for Oliviera to show the world what he can do as well - extra data and engineers seem to have helped, and be interested to see what he does tomorrow.
I don't see Stefan Bradl is adding much to Honda's test programme, the bike is progressively getting worse and maybe some fresh eyes will help. Morbidelli had a strong ride, keeps up this level and a VR46 ride won't look like a favour.
I don't see Stefan Bradl is adding much to Honda's test programme, the bike is progressively getting worse and maybe some fresh eyes will help. Morbidelli had a strong ride, keeps up this level and a VR46 ride won't look like a favour.
Edited by Marquezs Stabilisers on Saturday 6th July 22:10
Also had a look: Remy Gardner within a second of Fabio Quatararo's best lap in both qualifying and the race. I know his brief will have been "don't crash, we want the data" and the bike and tyres aren't familiar, but that's an OK effort. Bradl was within 0.5 of Marini, the fastest Honda.
Was coming back from hols so watched today on catch up, in GP>3>2 order, and that was the best way!
GP was pretty good, great result for Gresini, both brothers rode really well, fantastic late pace from Marc. Pecco impressed again, hard not to admire the way he's riding, he deserves that top seat, and he's demonstrating why Ducati didn't hire Jorge: Pecco edges him.
3 was great, Alonso is head and shoulders above his peers, but the podium finishers are all showing well this season. Furusato has balls, and imagination; Honda will want to take note!
2 was the best race, not often anyone says that! Fabulous stuff, top 12 at one point looked like they could win it, but podium finishers earned it after epic fights all race long. Great racing.
Fab way to hit the summer break, although a certain Ducati rider is going to spend the next few weeks with his head in his hands.
GP was pretty good, great result for Gresini, both brothers rode really well, fantastic late pace from Marc. Pecco impressed again, hard not to admire the way he's riding, he deserves that top seat, and he's demonstrating why Ducati didn't hire Jorge: Pecco edges him.
3 was great, Alonso is head and shoulders above his peers, but the podium finishers are all showing well this season. Furusato has balls, and imagination; Honda will want to take note!
2 was the best race, not often anyone says that! Fabulous stuff, top 12 at one point looked like they could win it, but podium finishers earned it after epic fights all race long. Great racing.
Fab way to hit the summer break, although a certain Ducati rider is going to spend the next few weeks with his head in his hands.
Another great recovery weekend from MM seemingly against all odds. Talk about bad luck. I bet Jorge is gutted.
I`ve never thought about it until know , but why dont the sprint races finishes count towards the grid position for the main race ? It seems harsh to penalise someone who had a bad / unlucky qualifying for both races if they show some consistent improvement. MM would be the obvious example this time ?
I`ve never thought about it until know , but why dont the sprint races finishes count towards the grid position for the main race ? It seems harsh to penalise someone who had a bad / unlucky qualifying for both races if they show some consistent improvement. MM would be the obvious example this time ?
Far Cough said:
Another great recovery weekend from MM seemingly against all odds. Talk about bad luck. I bet Jorge is gutted.
I`ve never thought about it until know , but why dont the sprint races finishes count towards the grid position for the main race ? It seems harsh to penalise someone who had a bad / unlucky qualifying for both races if they show some consistent improvement. MM would be the obvious example this time ?
Cuts both ways. I`ve never thought about it until know , but why dont the sprint races finishes count towards the grid position for the main race ? It seems harsh to penalise someone who had a bad / unlucky qualifying for both races if they show some consistent improvement. MM would be the obvious example this time ?
It then spoils the main race for someone who had a great qualifying, but a poor sprint race, or gets knocked off through no fault of their own.
Great weekends racing across all classes.
I saw a video earlier today looking into the Pramac garage post race and Jorge must have entered from the rear (unseen on camera) and kicked the hell out of all of the wall sections, the place nearly fell to bits.
Not a good day at the office going into the summer break, he seemed to be controlling the gap just enough but you know what Pecco is like he'll just chip away and seemingly forced a mistake for Jorge. Is this the moment where the championship pivots back towards Pecco and he builds a lead?
Marc did an amazing job after all of the issues this weekend, to finish P2 after the collision with Frankie and his airbag being triggered (no idea how much pain he must have been in across his ribs) and to nip past Alex (poor kid). Great results for Gresini though.
For a few laps I though Enea may do his usual but he had nothing, Frankie seems to be getting to grips with the GP24, I wonder if he'll end up at VR46, if he does he'll be on the same bike at least.
Not sure what happened to Miguel after the sprint, I was expecting there to be a few Aprilia's at the sharp end, and the KTM's just seem at sea now. Maybe we've hit the limit and this is where KTM are in '24, Acosta seems to have stalled, but I suspect that's more the bike than his talent.
As for the track, there were lots of crashes and some lucky escapes fortunately. Given Germany has some bigger/better circuits I'm baffled why we still go here given the speed of a modern GP machine and the lack of run off available.
Summer break now, I'm guessing some more pieces will fall into place for 2025/26 now, who will Yamaha snatch is the big question for me.
I saw a video earlier today looking into the Pramac garage post race and Jorge must have entered from the rear (unseen on camera) and kicked the hell out of all of the wall sections, the place nearly fell to bits.
Not a good day at the office going into the summer break, he seemed to be controlling the gap just enough but you know what Pecco is like he'll just chip away and seemingly forced a mistake for Jorge. Is this the moment where the championship pivots back towards Pecco and he builds a lead?
Marc did an amazing job after all of the issues this weekend, to finish P2 after the collision with Frankie and his airbag being triggered (no idea how much pain he must have been in across his ribs) and to nip past Alex (poor kid). Great results for Gresini though.
For a few laps I though Enea may do his usual but he had nothing, Frankie seems to be getting to grips with the GP24, I wonder if he'll end up at VR46, if he does he'll be on the same bike at least.
Not sure what happened to Miguel after the sprint, I was expecting there to be a few Aprilia's at the sharp end, and the KTM's just seem at sea now. Maybe we've hit the limit and this is where KTM are in '24, Acosta seems to have stalled, but I suspect that's more the bike than his talent.
As for the track, there were lots of crashes and some lucky escapes fortunately. Given Germany has some bigger/better circuits I'm baffled why we still go here given the speed of a modern GP machine and the lack of run off available.
Summer break now, I'm guessing some more pieces will fall into place for 2025/26 now, who will Yamaha snatch is the big question for me.
Freakuk said:
Great weekends racing across all classes.
I saw a video earlier today looking into the Pramac garage post race and Jorge must have entered from the rear (unseen on camera) and kicked the hell out of all of the wall sections, the place nearly fell to bits.
Not a good day at the office going into the summer break, he seemed to be controlling the gap just enough but you know what Pecco is like he'll just chip away and seemingly forced a mistake for Jorge. Is this the moment where the championship pivots back towards Pecco and he builds a lead?
Marc did an amazing job after all of the issues this weekend, to finish P2 after the collision with Frankie and his airbag being triggered (no idea how much pain he must have been in across his ribs) and to nip past Alex (poor kid). Great results for Gresini though.
For a few laps I though Enea may do his usual but he had nothing, Frankie seems to be getting to grips with the GP24, I wonder if he'll end up at VR46, if he does he'll be on the same bike at least.
Not sure what happened to Miguel after the sprint, I was expecting there to be a few Aprilia's at the sharp end, and the KTM's just seem at sea now. Maybe we've hit the limit and this is where KTM are in '24, Acosta seems to have stalled, but I suspect that's more the bike than his talent.
As for the track, there were lots of crashes and some lucky escapes fortunately. Given Germany has some bigger/better circuits I'm baffled why we still go here given the speed of a modern GP machine and the lack of run off available.
Summer break now, I'm guessing some more pieces will fall into place for 2025/26 now, who will Yamaha snatch is the big question for me.
That's a good summary.I saw a video earlier today looking into the Pramac garage post race and Jorge must have entered from the rear (unseen on camera) and kicked the hell out of all of the wall sections, the place nearly fell to bits.
Not a good day at the office going into the summer break, he seemed to be controlling the gap just enough but you know what Pecco is like he'll just chip away and seemingly forced a mistake for Jorge. Is this the moment where the championship pivots back towards Pecco and he builds a lead?
Marc did an amazing job after all of the issues this weekend, to finish P2 after the collision with Frankie and his airbag being triggered (no idea how much pain he must have been in across his ribs) and to nip past Alex (poor kid). Great results for Gresini though.
For a few laps I though Enea may do his usual but he had nothing, Frankie seems to be getting to grips with the GP24, I wonder if he'll end up at VR46, if he does he'll be on the same bike at least.
Not sure what happened to Miguel after the sprint, I was expecting there to be a few Aprilia's at the sharp end, and the KTM's just seem at sea now. Maybe we've hit the limit and this is where KTM are in '24, Acosta seems to have stalled, but I suspect that's more the bike than his talent.
As for the track, there were lots of crashes and some lucky escapes fortunately. Given Germany has some bigger/better circuits I'm baffled why we still go here given the speed of a modern GP machine and the lack of run off available.
Summer break now, I'm guessing some more pieces will fall into place for 2025/26 now, who will Yamaha snatch is the big question for me.
Congratulations, the job is yours from today.
Freakuk said:
Great weekends racing across all classes.
I saw a video earlier today looking into the Pramac garage post race and Jorge must have entered from the rear (unseen on camera) and kicked the hell out of all of the wall sections, the place nearly fell to bits.
Not a good day at the office going into the summer break, he seemed to be controlling the gap just enough but you know what Pecco is like he'll just chip away and seemingly forced a mistake for Jorge. Is this the moment where the championship pivots back towards Pecco and he builds a lead?
Marc did an amazing job after all of the issues this weekend, to finish P2 after the collision with Frankie and his airbag being triggered (no idea how much pain he must have been in across his ribs) and to nip past Alex (poor kid). Great results for Gresini though.
For a few laps I though Enea may do his usual but he had nothing, Frankie seems to be getting to grips with the GP24, I wonder if he'll end up at VR46, if he does he'll be on the same bike at least.
Not sure what happened to Miguel after the sprint, I was expecting there to be a few Aprilia's at the sharp end, and the KTM's just seem at sea now. Maybe we've hit the limit and this is where KTM are in '24, Acosta seems to have stalled, but I suspect that's more the bike than his talent.
As for the track, there were lots of crashes and some lucky escapes fortunately. Given Germany has some bigger/better circuits I'm baffled why we still go here given the speed of a modern GP machine and the lack of run off available.
Summer break now, I'm guessing some more pieces will fall into place for 2025/26 now, who will Yamaha snatch is the big question for me.
Agree, there's been chat before about the Nurburging South Circuit being used. However I think the Sachsenring is essentially the local tourist economy and as such maybe bad politics to move it. Oschersleben is in the east too though and FIM Grade C, according to RacingCircuits.info. WSBK has raced there in the past. There aren't any Grade B circuits and Sachsenring only FIM Grade A. I saw a video earlier today looking into the Pramac garage post race and Jorge must have entered from the rear (unseen on camera) and kicked the hell out of all of the wall sections, the place nearly fell to bits.
Not a good day at the office going into the summer break, he seemed to be controlling the gap just enough but you know what Pecco is like he'll just chip away and seemingly forced a mistake for Jorge. Is this the moment where the championship pivots back towards Pecco and he builds a lead?
Marc did an amazing job after all of the issues this weekend, to finish P2 after the collision with Frankie and his airbag being triggered (no idea how much pain he must have been in across his ribs) and to nip past Alex (poor kid). Great results for Gresini though.
For a few laps I though Enea may do his usual but he had nothing, Frankie seems to be getting to grips with the GP24, I wonder if he'll end up at VR46, if he does he'll be on the same bike at least.
Not sure what happened to Miguel after the sprint, I was expecting there to be a few Aprilia's at the sharp end, and the KTM's just seem at sea now. Maybe we've hit the limit and this is where KTM are in '24, Acosta seems to have stalled, but I suspect that's more the bike than his talent.
As for the track, there were lots of crashes and some lucky escapes fortunately. Given Germany has some bigger/better circuits I'm baffled why we still go here given the speed of a modern GP machine and the lack of run off available.
Summer break now, I'm guessing some more pieces will fall into place for 2025/26 now, who will Yamaha snatch is the big question for me.
https://www.fim-moto.com/fileadmin/library/2020_FI...
A grade A track needs to be roughly 4.5km long, range allowe 3.5km to 10km! A very interesting document that specifies minimum lengths and widths.
Edited by Marquezs Stabilisers on Monday 8th July 13:42
LF5335 said:
Cuts both ways.
It then spoils the main race for someone who had a great qualifying, but a poor sprint race, or gets knocked off through no fault of their own.
Agreed. With double points in the race, the incentive would be to take more risky maneuvers in the Sprint in the hope of improving a grid slot, increasing the chances of getting knocked off.It then spoils the main race for someone who had a great qualifying, but a poor sprint race, or gets knocked off through no fault of their own.
I like the track. The waterfall is an awesome corner, and the need to really nurse the tyres over the course of the race is good. Something a bit different and made for great racing last couple of visits. The accidents in practice/qualy were generally cold tyre problems that are hardly unique when there is a cold wind.
I quite like the Sachsenring, it's anachronistic and well placed in the calendar next to the charismatic Assen. The Wasserfal section is hair raising and the constant left turns approaching it encourage difficult passing. Omega is pretty cool too, similarly difficult to overtake yet encouraging. The modern Nurburgring is more bland but the track is well located to encourage more spectators.
KTM are rapidly falling behind. Even the flair of Acosta has been dampened down over last 2 meetings which is a shame as he’s so exciting to watch. Binder is also struggling ,with Miller not even showing the odd flash of competitive speed. All pointing towards the new Michelin tyre incompatibility for the bike this year seems to be possible reason ?
hiccy18 said:
I quite like the Sachsenring, it's anachronistic and well placed in the calendar next to the charismatic Assen. The Wasserfal section is hair raising and the constant left turns approaching it encourage difficult passing. Omega is pretty cool too, similarly difficult to overtake yet encouraging. The modern Nurburgring is more bland but the track is well located to encourage more spectators.
Agree, Alex Marquez's moves on Oliveira and Bagnaia there show it can be done. Martin's pass on Pecco in the SPRINT was another clever move. Se7enheaven said:
KTM are rapidly falling behind. Even the flair of Acosta has been dampened down over last 2 meetings which is a shame as he’s so exciting to watch. Binder is also struggling ,with Miller not even showing the odd flash of competitive speed. All pointing towards the new Michelin tyre incompatibility for the bike this year seems to be possible reason ?
Their senior technical guy has not had his contract renewed…. Predict open wallets being offered to Ducati ataffSee how fast Bastianini and Vinales jumped to KTM, did they see Acosta and think they can do the same, did they not perhaps look at Moto2 Champ Fernandez or Miller and see the continued struggle. Do they think they are are as good as the new alien or just normal. I don't think it will turn out as expected for them.
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