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hiccy18 said:
John D. said:
Three way fight for second behind MM, yeah?
He's going to smoke them.
I hope you're right, but I think those 24's have enough pace in hand to event hings up, especially with Pecco and Jorge on them.He's going to smoke them.
Sounds like Frankie Carchedi and Marc are pushing the boundaries on setup, guessing they hoped to have the pace to run with the top two but simply didn't. If it's true that the pass from Enea contributed to the pressure failure that's right on the edge. Which is kinda cool.
I'd love to know exactly what is different on the new bike, they were saying in the commentary yesterday that Ducati bosses hinted they had big things coming in 24 last year and they weren't lying.
Bike doesn't look massively different but there must be plenty going on under the skin. It's a shame really as it's slightly nullified Marc's chances. I suspect the 24 bikes will continue to streak ahead now with the odd outlier performance from the others.
Key thing is Marc has still been top GP23 all season so that counts for something and is probably one of the reasons Ducati had faith to put him in red. Only they know just how much better their new bike is and the actual differences.
Now will they be tempted to give Marc some upgrades to help him mess Martin up???
As for yesterdays tyre pressure gamble, seems a bit silly and desperate really.. wondering who's choice that was. Clearly it was set up to run in a pack as opposed to out front but they got it quite drastically wrong didn't they!? 16s penalty is a huge dent. Terrible weekend for Marc in the standings.
Also .. rules are rules... But he was 0.01 bar under for 1 lap ... That's just OTT.
Bike doesn't look massively different but there must be plenty going on under the skin. It's a shame really as it's slightly nullified Marc's chances. I suspect the 24 bikes will continue to streak ahead now with the odd outlier performance from the others.
Key thing is Marc has still been top GP23 all season so that counts for something and is probably one of the reasons Ducati had faith to put him in red. Only they know just how much better their new bike is and the actual differences.
Now will they be tempted to give Marc some upgrades to help him mess Martin up???
As for yesterdays tyre pressure gamble, seems a bit silly and desperate really.. wondering who's choice that was. Clearly it was set up to run in a pack as opposed to out front but they got it quite drastically wrong didn't they!? 16s penalty is a huge dent. Terrible weekend for Marc in the standings.
Also .. rules are rules... But he was 0.01 bar under for 1 lap ... That's just OTT.
Edited by Yazza54 on Monday 1st July 09:28
Yazza54 said:
I'd love to know exactly what is different on the new bike, they were saying in the commentary yesterday that Ducati bosses hinted they had big things coming in 24 last year and they weren't lying.
Bike doesn't look massively different but there must be plenty going on under the skin. It's a shame really as it's slightly nullified Marc's chances. I suspect the 24 bikes will continue to streak ahead now with the odd outlier performance from the others.
Key thing is Marc has still been top GP23 all season so that counts for something and is probably one of the reasons Ducati had faith to put him in red. Only they know just how much better their new bike is and the actual differences.
Now will they be tempted to give Marc some upgrades to help him mess Martin up???
As for yesterdays tyre pressure gamble, seems a bit silly and desperate really.. wondering who's choice that was. Clearly it was set up to run in a pack as opposed to out front but they got it quite drastically wrong didn't they!? 16s penalty is a huge dent. Terrible weekend for Marc in the standings.
Also .. rules are rules... But he was 0.01 bar under for 1 lap ... That's just OTT.
They should at least give them the upgrade package and a couple of techs, to make the bike an end of season GP23 bike instead of a start of season bike which was slower than an end of season GP22 bike. Like you say Ducati will have all the Data between the bikes and know what the time difference should be, he is obviously miles inside that time, which has got him the factory ride.Bike doesn't look massively different but there must be plenty going on under the skin. It's a shame really as it's slightly nullified Marc's chances. I suspect the 24 bikes will continue to streak ahead now with the odd outlier performance from the others.
Key thing is Marc has still been top GP23 all season so that counts for something and is probably one of the reasons Ducati had faith to put him in red. Only they know just how much better their new bike is and the actual differences.
Now will they be tempted to give Marc some upgrades to help him mess Martin up???
As for yesterdays tyre pressure gamble, seems a bit silly and desperate really.. wondering who's choice that was. Clearly it was set up to run in a pack as opposed to out front but they got it quite drastically wrong didn't they!? 16s penalty is a huge dent. Terrible weekend for Marc in the standings.
Also .. rules are rules... But he was 0.01 bar under for 1 lap ... That's just OTT.
Edited by Yazza54 on Monday 1st July 09:28
J6542 said:
Yazza54 said:
I'd love to know exactly what is different on the new bike, they were saying in the commentary yesterday that Ducati bosses hinted they had big things coming in 24 last year and they weren't lying.
Bike doesn't look massively different but there must be plenty going on under the skin. It's a shame really as it's slightly nullified Marc's chances. I suspect the 24 bikes will continue to streak ahead now with the odd outlier performance from the others.
Key thing is Marc has still been top GP23 all season so that counts for something and is probably one of the reasons Ducati had faith to put him in red. Only they know just how much better their new bike is and the actual differences.
Now will they be tempted to give Marc some upgrades to help him mess Martin up???
As for yesterdays tyre pressure gamble, seems a bit silly and desperate really.. wondering who's choice that was. Clearly it was set up to run in a pack as opposed to out front but they got it quite drastically wrong didn't they!? 16s penalty is a huge dent. Terrible weekend for Marc in the standings.
Also .. rules are rules... But he was 0.01 bar under for 1 lap ... That's just OTT.
They should at least give them the upgrade package and a couple of techs, to make the bike an end of season GP23 bike instead of a start of season bike which was slower than an end of season GP22 bike. Like you say Ducati will have all the Data between the bikes and know what the time difference should be, he is obviously miles inside that time, which has got him the factory ride.Bike doesn't look massively different but there must be plenty going on under the skin. It's a shame really as it's slightly nullified Marc's chances. I suspect the 24 bikes will continue to streak ahead now with the odd outlier performance from the others.
Key thing is Marc has still been top GP23 all season so that counts for something and is probably one of the reasons Ducati had faith to put him in red. Only they know just how much better their new bike is and the actual differences.
Now will they be tempted to give Marc some upgrades to help him mess Martin up???
As for yesterdays tyre pressure gamble, seems a bit silly and desperate really.. wondering who's choice that was. Clearly it was set up to run in a pack as opposed to out front but they got it quite drastically wrong didn't they!? 16s penalty is a huge dent. Terrible weekend for Marc in the standings.
Also .. rules are rules... But he was 0.01 bar under for 1 lap ... That's just OTT.
Edited by Yazza54 on Monday 1st July 09:28
Yazza54 said:
I'd love to know exactly what is different on the new bike, they were saying in the commentary yesterday that Ducati bosses hinted they had big things coming in 24 last year and they weren't lying.
Bike doesn't look massively different but there must be plenty going on under the skin. It's a shame really as it's slightly nullified Marc's chances. I suspect the 24 bikes will continue to streak ahead now with the odd outlier performance from the others.
The GP24 being designed/upgraded to suit the new tyre rather than having to try and make a set up changes to suit will make a big difference. It's also been reported on but never really verified that the GP23s are as they started the 2023 season rather than how they ended it with all the in-season upgrades which is break from tradition.Bike doesn't look massively different but there must be plenty going on under the skin. It's a shame really as it's slightly nullified Marc's chances. I suspect the 24 bikes will continue to streak ahead now with the odd outlier performance from the others.
2ndclasscitizen said:
Yazza54 said:
I'd love to know exactly what is different on the new bike, they were saying in the commentary yesterday that Ducati bosses hinted they had big things coming in 24 last year and they weren't lying.
Bike doesn't look massively different but there must be plenty going on under the skin. It's a shame really as it's slightly nullified Marc's chances. I suspect the 24 bikes will continue to streak ahead now with the odd outlier performance from the others.
The GP24 being designed/upgraded to suit the new tyre rather than having to try and make a set up changes to suit will make a big difference. It's also been reported on but never really verified that the GP23s are as they started the 2023 season rather than how they ended it with all the in-season upgrades which is break from tradition.Bike doesn't look massively different but there must be plenty going on under the skin. It's a shame really as it's slightly nullified Marc's chances. I suspect the 24 bikes will continue to streak ahead now with the odd outlier performance from the others.
Ducati have always been very fair in giving riders and teams equipment to fight but I think we are seeing a big shift here. Maybe one of the reasons Pramac left is because Ducati aren't prepared to keep giving them the latest and greatest spec bikes?? There's nothing confirmed yet about where the two factory bikes will go next year / if they'll be factory bikes in satellite teams.
Whilst talking about going to three GP25's Gigi also praised Diggia and said he's a rider they really want to keep. Putting the 25 in Gresini makes no sense as they could've given it to Marc and kept Jorge, so VR46 with Diggia is their preferred option then. Fermin is definitely on a 24 no matter where he ends up.
Paolo Campinotti is really pissed that Ducati didn't pick Martin, cited it as a reason for going to Yamaha. I'd be surprised if Yamaha's chequebook wasn't a factor too though.
Paolo Campinotti is really pissed that Ducati didn't pick Martin, cited it as a reason for going to Yamaha. I'd be surprised if Yamaha's chequebook wasn't a factor too though.
Yazza54 said:
Krikkit said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Ducati have said there will only be 3 2025 bikes next year to keep the split between current and year old bikes the same. So only 1 2025 bike to VR46 or Gresini.
Aren't Gresini going to Yamaha? So it'll be a VR46 primaryWhy would he care, Martin was going to leave him either way and if it wasn't for Ducati his team would've never got a rider of that calibre in the first place. Bulls
t IMO.
I reckon he knew they weren't getting GP25s as they've been giving the red boys too much of a hard time over the years ... Add that to losing Martin and being offered factory bikes for less money at Yamaha it forced his hand.
t IMO. I reckon he knew they weren't getting GP25s as they've been giving the red boys too much of a hard time over the years ... Add that to losing Martin and being offered factory bikes for less money at Yamaha it forced his hand.
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