Moto GP 2024

[Marquezs Stabilisers]

MotoGP Facebook confirmed Bastianini and Vinales at Tech 3 next year.

[Yazza54]

The plot thickens

Currently looks like Miller without a seat but I think Honda would have him if there's any movement there with Mir. Anything looks better than riding that Honda any longer.

I'm thinking Aprilia might go after Alex rins over Mir.. If they can afford him that would be a mega line up for them with him and Jorge.

Nothing confirmed at Pramac or gresini yet as far as I'm aware, or track house. LCR only have Zarco confirmed but the other bike will be Nakagami or another jap rider.

Would be surprised if track house aren't gunning for Joe roberts

Edited by Yazza54 on Thursday 13th June 08:34

[Yazza54]

I'm really hoping Pramac switch to Yamaha and then Yamaha throw 4 factory bikes out there, they are at such a disadvantage at the moment and it really is quite surprising that we've wound up in a position with 4 teams running Ducatis. So it would be good all round, and really help boost Yamaha's chances of a comeback.

[John D.]

Yazza54 said:

I'm really hoping Pramac switch to Yamaha and then Yamaha throw 4 factory bikes out there, they are at such a disadvantage at the moment and it really is quite surprising that we've wound up in a position with 4 teams running Ducatis. So it would be good all round, and really help boost Yamaha's chances of a comeback.

Would also rob Ducati of some data, which would likely redress the balance somewhat and be good got the sport (not that I think the racing is bad currently).

Wouuld mean two more uncompetative bikes on the grid in the short term though.

[epom]

John D. said:

Yazza54 said:

I'm really hoping Pramac switch to Yamaha and then Yamaha throw 4 factory bikes out there, they are at such a disadvantage at the moment and it really is quite surprising that we've wound up in a position with 4 teams running Ducatis. So it would be good all round, and really help boost Yamaha's chances of a comeback.

Would also rob Ducati of some data, which would likely redress the balance somewhat and be good got the sport (not that I think the racing is bad currently).

Wouuld mean two more uncompetative bikes on the grid in the short term though.

They could just get in the way

[rodericb]

epom said:

John D. said:

Yazza54 said:

I'm really hoping Pramac switch to Yamaha and then Yamaha throw 4 factory bikes out there, they are at such a disadvantage at the moment and it really is quite surprising that we've wound up in a position with 4 teams running Ducatis. So it would be good all round, and really help boost Yamaha's chances of a comeback.

Would also rob Ducati of some data, which would likely redress the balance somewhat and be good got the sport (not that I think the racing is bad currently).

Wouuld mean two more uncompetative bikes on the grid in the short term though.

They could just get in the way

Well, they've got to get in front to be able to do that

[LF5335]

rodericb said:

Well, they've got to get in front to be able to do that

Or go slower and get lapped a few times.

[hiccy18]

Aprilia have to be weighing up Bez & Diggia for the factory seat, bit of a blow losing Mav though as there's no continuity. Rinse and Mir have to be high interest too, I'm surprised Yamaha haven't offered Alex a lot of money to stay, although perhaps they have and he hasn't said yes.

Not convinced R.Fernandez has done enough to keep his seat. Oliveira definitely hasn't.

[John D.]

hiccy18 said:

Aprilia have to be weighing up Bez & Diggia for the factory seat, bit of a blow losing Mav though as there's no continuity. Rinse and Mir have to be high interest too, I'm surprised Yamaha haven't offered Alex a lot of money to stay, although perhaps they have and he hasn't said yes.

Not convinced R.Fernandez has done enough to keep his seat. Oliveira definitely hasn't.

Mir has been connected with Trackhouse as its run by his old boss from Suzuki days (Brivio). Think his stock is possibly too low for a factory seat (I don't think Aprilia are necessarily looking at is as strict A and B teams though).

Personally I don't think MV is a great loss. He's so inconsistent. I think he'll do two years at Tech 3, have the odd good day but not achieve much overall, and retire.

I'd pick Bez over Digi. I like Rins but his leg is still quite bad.

[Marquezs Stabilisers]

Factory Ducati: Pecco Bagnaia, Marc Marquez

Factory Aprilia: Jorge Martin

Factory Yamaha: Fabio Quatararo

Factory KTM Brad Binder, Pedro Acosta

GasGas Tech3 Maverick Vinales, Ennea Bastianini

Factory Honda Luca Marini
LCR Honda Johan Zarco

Is that it for confirmed?

Edited by Marquezs Stabilisers on Thursday 13th June 19:18

[Marquezs Stabilisers]

John D. said:

Mir has been connected with Trackhouse as its run by his old boss from Suzuki days (Brivio). Think his stock is possibly too low for a factory seat (I don't think Aprilia are necessarily looking at is as strict A and B teams though).

Personally I don't think MV is a great loss. He's so inconsistent. I think he'll do two years at Tech 3, have the odd good day but not achieve much overall, and retire.

I'd pick Bez over Digi. I like Rins but his leg is still quite bad.

You've got to think Trackhouse is going to be Joe Roberts + AN Other. I agree MV isn't a huge loss and I think it's just the fact this is the weakest Ajo KTM Moto2 team in years means they won't be promoting someone up that's perhaps opened up that seat.

Gresini haven't confirmed their riders but it would be surprising for Alex Marquez to move from them - or them to bin him. Digi, Bez, Franky M, all in play, and if Pramac leave Ducati then Fermin has to be fitted in too.

LCR will probably bin Nakagami if Ogura or Chantra do well enough in Moto2.

[LF5335]

hiccy18 said:

Aprilia have to be weighing up Bez & Diggia for the factory seat, bit of a blow losing Mav though as there's no continuity. Rinse and Mir have to be high interest too, I'm surprised Yamaha haven't offered Alex a lot of money to stay, although perhaps they have and he hasn't said yes.

Not convinced R.Fernandez has done enough to keep his seat. Oliveira definitely hasn't.

Benz and Digi are your first two picks. Either have done anything. In fact Digi was out until he won that one race last year.

Why are Rins and Mir always discussed as a package? One has won a world title. Admittedly it was more through consistency than outright brilliance. Surely he’s more of a draw than any of the others.

[John D.]

Marquezs Stabilisers said:

You've got to think Trackhouse is going to be Joe Roberts + AN Other. I agree MV isn't a huge loss and I think it's just the fact this is the weakest Ajo KTM Moto2 team in years means they won't be promoting someone up that's perhaps opened up that seat.

Gresini haven't confirmed their riders but it would be surprising for Alex Marquez to move from them - or them to bin him. Digi, Bez, Franky M, all in play, and if Pramac leave Ducati then Fermin has to be fitted in too.

LCR will probably bin Nakagami if Ogura or Chantra do well enough in Moto2.

I agree you would have thought Joe Roberts was was a shoo-in for Trackhouse, but there has been some chat that he possibly isn't. Too many other established riders on the market (and perhaps Aprilia want to keep their options open).

[Yazza54]

LF5335 said:

hiccy18 said:

Aprilia have to be weighing up Bez & Diggia for the factory seat, bit of a blow losing Mav though as there's no continuity. Rinse and Mir have to be high interest too, I'm surprised Yamaha haven't offered Alex a lot of money to stay, although perhaps they have and he hasn't said yes.

Not convinced R.Fernandez has done enough to keep his seat. Oliveira definitely hasn't.

Benz and Digi are your first two picks. Either have done anything. In fact Digi was out until he won that one race last year.

Why are Rins and Mir always discussed as a package? One has won a world title. Admittedly it was more through consistency than outright brilliance. Surely he’s more of a draw than any of the others.

I think most people view Rins as a more talented albeit unlucky rider than Mir. Saying that I haven't seen Mir on a bike that isn't trying to kill him for what feels like an eternity. The Championship he won is probably one of the least impressive ever, won through attrition in a weak season for everyone else. I don't think it carries much weight.

I also reckon Yamaha have got their man in Fabio and probably aren't going to spend anymore silly money on riders. What they need most is a second team.

[hiccy18]

LF5335 said:

Benz and Digi are your first two picks. Either have done anything. In fact Digi was out until he won that one race last year.

Why are Rins and Mir always discussed as a package? One has won a world title. Admittedly it was more through consistency than outright brilliance. Surely he’s more of a draw than any of the others.

Aprilia have expressed a desire for an Italian rider if they couldn't keep Mav, so Bez and Diggia are their choices.

I've got a lot of time for both Mir and Rins, I think of the riders without contract they're the best. Trackhouse getting the gang back together and the factory team getting their Italian rider seems a good plan.


ETA: KTM aren't messing around, bit brutal as usual but it's all done.

Edited by hiccy18 on Thursday 13th June 11:49

[FourWheelDrift]

Neil Spalding thinks the 2027 tech regs favour Yamaha.

Podcast here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EiWI4Ra-t0

Highlights of what he said on here - https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1050595/1/2027-m...

[hiccy18]

Yazza54 said:

I think most people view Rins as a more talented albeit unlucky rider than Mir. Saying that I haven't seen Mir on a bike that isn't trying to kill him for what feels like an eternity. The Championship he won is probably one of the least impressive ever, won through attrition in a weak season for everyone else. I don't think it carries much weight.

I also reckon Yamaha have got their man in Fabio and probably aren't going to spend anymore silly money on riders. What they need most is a second team.

I have quite the opposite opinion over Mir's GP championship: in a year when Marc disappeared at the first round, Dovi couldn't adjust to the new tyre and Fabio seemed to get the jitters, Mir had at most the third best bike yet kept maximising what he had, delivering consistent points. Given the circumstances of that season, I thought it was a fantastic, and well deserved result for him and the team.

Rins kept flinging it at the scenery that season but has since found more consistency to go with a talent that on his good days is the match of anyone. I can't believe Yamaha want to replace him, I suspect he is keeping his options open.

[John D.]

hiccy18 said:

Yazza54 said:

I think most people view Rins as a more talented albeit unlucky rider than Mir. Saying that I haven't seen Mir on a bike that isn't trying to kill him for what feels like an eternity. The Championship he won is probably one of the least impressive ever, won through attrition in a weak season for everyone else. I don't think it carries much weight.

I also reckon Yamaha have got their man in Fabio and probably aren't going to spend anymore silly money on riders. What they need most is a second team.

I have quite the opposite opinion over Mir's GP championship: in a year when Marc disappeared at the first round, Dovi couldn't adjust to the new tyre and Fabio seemed to get the jitters, Mir had at most the third best bike yet kept maximising what he had, delivering consistent points. Given the circumstances of that season, I thought it was a fantastic, and well deserved result for him and the team.

Rins kept flinging it at the scenery that season but has since found more consistency to go with a talent that on his good days is the match of anyone. I can't believe Yamaha want to replace him, I suspect he is keeping his options open.

I'm with Yazza54. Mir seems the weakest MotoGP champion in the time I've followed the sport. Maybe unfair as it was a strange season. Repeating rounds at the same tracks played to him a bit perhaps.

[Yazza54]

John D. said:

hiccy18 said:

Yazza54 said:

I think most people view Rins as a more talented albeit unlucky rider than Mir. Saying that I haven't seen Mir on a bike that isn't trying to kill him for what feels like an eternity. The Championship he won is probably one of the least impressive ever, won through attrition in a weak season for everyone else. I don't think it carries much weight.

I also reckon Yamaha have got their man in Fabio and probably aren't going to spend anymore silly money on riders. What they need most is a second team.

I have quite the opposite opinion over Mir's GP championship: in a year when Marc disappeared at the first round, Dovi couldn't adjust to the new tyre and Fabio seemed to get the jitters, Mir had at most the third best bike yet kept maximising what he had, delivering consistent points. Given the circumstances of that season, I thought it was a fantastic, and well deserved result for him and the team.

Rins kept flinging it at the scenery that season but has since found more consistency to go with a talent that on his good days is the match of anyone. I can't believe Yamaha want to replace him, I suspect he is keeping his options open.

I'm with Yazza54. Mir seems the weakest MotoGP champion in the time I've followed the sport. Maybe unfair as it was a strange season. Repeating rounds at the same tracks played to him a bit perhaps.

It was definitely a strange season. Mir being consistently dominated by Marc at Honda didn't help and even Rins won a race on the Honda while Mir was busy throwing it at the scenery. I doubt Yamaha are thinking about letting Rins go, more that Rins is stalling I suspect.

[Marquezs Stabilisers]

Yazza54 said:

It was definitely a strange season. Mir being consistently dominated by Marc at Honda didn't help and even Rins won a race on the Honda while Mir was busy throwing it at the scenery. I doubt Yamaha are thinking about letting Rins go, more that Rins is stalling I suspect.

If you're Alex Rins, you'd back yourself to win races on the Aprilia. He might not win a title there but I'm pretty sure he definitely won't at Yamaha, he and Fabio are way better than the results they get.