Moto GP 2024

[wc98]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Everything evolves except me, I just like seeing them banging fairings etc but it seems to me that more seem to get the most enjoyment from where riders may or may not be going, this year, next year or whatever.

Give it a few more years and It'll be all about the drama. I hope I am wrong but if I am not then what can I do apart from stop watching it.

That's where i am with the drama, i really hope the new media lot don't go down the F1 route. We got a glimpse of where that ends up with some of the clowns that followed Rossi. The only time i ever wanted to beat the st out of anyone biking related was that utter piece of scum that ran toward Stoner at Donington giving him the finger on the cool down lap after the race. There is no place in the bike world for that type of behaviour, they should all stick to kick ball. Some of the people that follow Verstappen in F1 appear to be of the same ilk and i dread Moto GP going the same way.

[Yazza54]

wc98 said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

Everything evolves except me, I just like seeing them banging fairings etc but it seems to me that more seem to get the most enjoyment from where riders may or may not be going, this year, next year or whatever.

Give it a few more years and It'll be all about the drama. I hope I am wrong but if I am not then what can I do apart from stop watching it.

That's where i am with the drama, i really hope the new media lot don't go down the F1 route. We got a glimpse of where that ends up with some of the clowns that followed Rossi. The only time i ever wanted to beat the st out of anyone biking related was that utter piece of scum that ran toward Stoner at Donington giving him the finger on the cool down lap after the race. There is no place in the bike world for that type of behaviour, they should all stick to kick ball. Some of the people that follow Verstappen in F1 appear to be of the same ilk and i dread Moto GP going the same way.

Silly season has excited me just because it shapes how the racing is going to go. Marc going to Gresini was exciting and it has made the racing exciting too.

Likewise him going to Ducati is seriously going to shake things up, but equally so I'm very interested to see what a consistent top rider can do on an Aprilia. Lots to look forward to.

Then there's the small matter of boy wonder on the factory KTM..

[Condi]

Yazza54 said:

Then there's the small matter of boy wonder on the factory KTM..

Is the factory bike any different to the customer bike? Not sure, but I did think they were the same machine.

[Turn7]

Condi said:

Yazza54 said:

Then there's the small matter of boy wonder on the factory KTM..

Is the factory bike any different to the customer bike? Not sure, but I did think they were the same machine.

I seem to remember when Tech3 first announced the KTM deal they would be running very very close to factory spec….

[Yazza54]

Turn7 said:

Condi said:

Yazza54 said:

Then there's the small matter of boy wonder on the factory KTM..

Is the factory bike any different to the customer bike? Not sure, but I did think they were the same machine.

I seem to remember when Tech3 first announced the KTM deal they would be running very very close to factory spec….

It's more that there will be greater expectations next year, full blown factory support although I suspect he has that already.. and a full seasons worth of experience.

[carlo996]

I’m sure the factory bike isn’t too far away, but KTM factory team will without doubt have the deeper knowledge. Same as GP 23 vs 24 it’s that 1% that splits the aliens.

[Condi]

Turn7 said:

I seem to remember when Tech3 first announced the KTM deal they would be running very very close to factory spec….

It would make sense, KTM need all the relevant data they can get, whereas Ducati likely much more relaxed about having different spec bikes on the grid.

[John D.]

KTM / Gas Gas is the same bike.

Likely better/more engineers at KTM though. First to get new parts, and chance to shape the development too.

[carlo996]

John D. said:

KTM / Gas Gas is the same bike.

Likely better/more engineers at KTM though. First to get new parts, and chance to shape the development too.

Not to mention they have the direction of the test riders at their disposal. And KTM have got one of the greatest.

[Marquezs Stabilisers]

carlo996 said:

Not to mention they have the direction of the test riders at their disposal. And KTM have got one of the greatest.

Given Dani's performances in testing and race wild cards make it fairly clear that the bike isn't the issue. Pedro and Brad can get it to work: Jack and Augusto are probably worrying about their ride for 2025.

[wc98]

Marquezs Stabilisers said:

Given Dani's performances in testing and race wild cards make it fairly clear that the bike isn't the issue. Pedro and Brad can get it to work: Jack and Augusto are probably worrying about their ride for 2025.

In terms of the bike do you think it is as good over the course of a full season as the Aprilia and Ducati ? I'm not sure it is though that is pure guess work.

[Yazza54]

wc98 said:

Marquezs Stabilisers said:

Given Dani's performances in testing and race wild cards make it fairly clear that the bike isn't the issue. Pedro and Brad can get it to work: Jack and Augusto are probably worrying about their ride for 2025.

In terms of the bike do you think it is as good over the course of a full season as the Aprilia and Ducati ? I'm not sure it is though that is pure guess work.

I think it's difficult to say just how good the Aprilia is yet as Mav and Aleix aren't consistent enough. The KTM seems more consistent but that's probably because we are used to seeing Brad and now Pedro making it do stuff.

[graeme4130]

Condi said:

Yazza54 said:

Then there's the small matter of boy wonder on the factory KTM..

Is the factory bike any different to the customer bike? Not sure, but I did think they were the same machine.

It''s basically the same bike in a different dress, but within the factory team, he'll have a deeper pool of engineers and knowledge and many years more experience around him

[Yazza54]

graeme4130 said:

Condi said:

Yazza54 said:

Then there's the small matter of boy wonder on the factory KTM..

Is the factory bike any different to the customer bike? Not sure, but I did think they were the same machine.

It''s basically the same bike in a different dress, but within the factory team, he'll have a deeper pool of engineers and knowledge and many years more experience around him

Yup, I wasn't suggesting it was a different bike

I understand his current bike is the same as brad / jacks .. dunno about Fernandez's. The gas gas boys may not get the upgrades as quick or at least, they may get proven out by other riders first. Not sure. That may not be a bad thing, can spoil a good thing changing stuff too much!

[Johno]

The KTM in GasGas colours is full factory, but as suggested the team won't have the same resources as the factory. So speed of change/development/parts will be 2nd hand after the factory approve. Although this can also be a blessing as well.

KTM more than any other bike seem to effected by the new Michelin rear causing a lot of vibration/chatter issues. Also, explaining some of Acosta's racing lines. They're working night and day trying to resolve it across both GasGas and factory team. Appears the rider most impacted is Miller. Who has a bit of history of successfully working his way backwards, currently can't even get to the front to win the race of who goes back the fastest though.

Miller is quoted as being quite happy about a move to GasGas v the full factory bike, seems relaxed from what I've read.

[wc98]

Yazza54 said:

I think it's difficult to say just how good the Aprilia is yet as Mav and Aleix aren't consistent enough. The KTM seems more consistent but that's probably because we are used to seeing Brad and now Pedro making it do stuff.

In 2022 when Aleix was thereabouts on it in the title race it made me think it was a potential title winner with Fabio or Pecco on it.
Interesting to note the chatter issue mentioned by Johno for the KTM, i wonder if that is contributing to Acosta's tight lines, getting the chassis really loaded to try and overcome it. For sure at the right circuit he could win this year but i don't think it's a consistent front running bike at the moment though that's no surprise given Ducatis current dominance.

[John D.]

wc98 said:

Yazza54 said:

I think it's difficult to say just how good the Aprilia is yet as Mav and Aleix aren't consistent enough. The KTM seems more consistent but that's probably because we are used to seeing Brad and now Pedro making it do stuff.

In 2022 when Aleix was thereabouts on it in the title race it made me think it was a potential title winner with Fabio or Pecco on it.
Interesting to note the chatter issue mentioned by Johno for the KTM, i wonder if that is contributing to Acosta's tight lines, getting the chassis really loaded to try and overcome it. For sure at the right circuit he could win this year but i don't think it's a consistent front running bike at the moment though that's no surprise given Ducatis current dominance.

Very likely the chatter is why Acosta is taking the strange lines. That and riding around tyres that have lost their edge grip.

The chatter or nature of the 2024 tyres has got to be why Binder and Miller have dropped off so much this year.

For me, the KTM is still a much more consistent front runner in Acosta hands than the Aprilia.

[Marquezs Stabilisers]

wc98 said:

In terms of the bike do you think it is as good over the course of a full season as the Aprilia and Ducati ? I'm not sure it is though that is pure guess work.

The Ducati GP24 is clearly the bike to have. I think the KTM is probably marginally behind the Aprilia, but not a lot in it. With the Aprilia you never know what Maverick is going to turn up, and Aleix is still competitive but slowing down. Raul Fernandez and Oliviera as a general rule can run up to.about 8th on it.

KTM Binder and Acosta are decent shouts for a top five if they stay on, but Miller can be relied upon to go backwards in the race and HRC won't improve their bike by getting him on it. Augusto Fernandez has sometimes been beaten by non Zarco Hondas this year which is awful.

I think if you're Bastianini and trying to see whether to go Aprilia or KTM: I'd go KTM, I think Aprilia are financially challenged compared to them, with corresponding effects on development.

[NITO]

https://m.gpone.com/en/2024/06/07/motogp/pierer-pl...

Reports in the media of MV returning at the expense of gasgas by the sounds of it for 2027…and guess who’ll be coming out of contract then

[rodericb]

And another MV into the Pierer Mobility MotoGP empire as Maverick Vinales is said to be leaving Aprilia at the end of this year and for 2025 will be riding for Gas Gas! https://au.motorsport.com/motogp/news/vinales-set-...