new clutch in the CSL....
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to all you CSL owners out there in PH land...
just got it back and feck me it is a new car!!
the gear changes are rifle bolt, it feels like a totally different car and so rapid now and I strongly recommend you CSL boys look into this.
looking forward to bedford tom afternoon - anyone else going from here? the car feels like new with the following:
- new clutch and flywheel
- new RATB
- new front wheel bearings
- new rear top mounts
- new seat mechanism (passenger as was loose from the ring exploits!!)
- oil top up.
thank you mr warranty!!
BTW the dealer was synter in high wycombe. am preapred to travel there as on the way to work in marlow and BMW heathrow were total and utter wank.
oh right just another 3 series then pal!!
off to bed to get some shut eye and dream of some good laps at bedford!!
DC
just got it back and feck me it is a new car!!
the gear changes are rifle bolt, it feels like a totally different car and so rapid now and I strongly recommend you CSL boys look into this.
looking forward to bedford tom afternoon - anyone else going from here? the car feels like new with the following:
- new clutch and flywheel
- new RATB
- new front wheel bearings
- new rear top mounts
- new seat mechanism (passenger as was loose from the ring exploits!!)
- oil top up.
thank you mr warranty!!
BTW the dealer was synter in high wycombe. am preapred to travel there as on the way to work in marlow and BMW heathrow were total and utter wank.
oh right just another 3 series then pal!!
off to bed to get some shut eye and dream of some good laps at bedford!!
DC
lots of chat and theory out there re the clutch issues.
Launch controls Kill the clutch as it is so brutal! done it on an old E46.
the dealers can see the 'blue heat spots' on the flywheel and can register L/c so if you are trying to get one under warranty then beware. mine came up with no launches thank god.
as for lifeline then some people are up to nearly 40k on a clutch!
I have been advised to pop it in neutral when at stand still as you are still riding the clutch albeit a little but it all adds up!
somoene like Thorney can do a clutch for you as well as put in an uprated one. not sure on the warranty issues though.
C2, sytner in HW were excellent and got to pop back in next week to get the seat fixed.
ask for CAMERON BEGG as he is a sound guy plus his engineers seem interested in the CSL and want to look after them.
I have heard that Holland park are good to but stay away from other london dealers. not sure where you are based but
MURKETTS in the cambs area.
hope this helps.
Nick
Launch controls Kill the clutch as it is so brutal! done it on an old E46.
the dealers can see the 'blue heat spots' on the flywheel and can register L/c so if you are trying to get one under warranty then beware. mine came up with no launches thank god.
as for lifeline then some people are up to nearly 40k on a clutch!
I have been advised to pop it in neutral when at stand still as you are still riding the clutch albeit a little but it all adds up!
somoene like Thorney can do a clutch for you as well as put in an uprated one. not sure on the warranty issues though.
C2, sytner in HW were excellent and got to pop back in next week to get the seat fixed.
ask for CAMERON BEGG as he is a sound guy plus his engineers seem interested in the CSL and want to look after them.
I have heard that Holland park are good to but stay away from other london dealers. not sure where you are based but
MURKETTS in the cambs area.
hope this helps.
Nick
DasChin said:
lots of chat and theory out there re the clutch issues.
Launch controls Kill the clutch as it is so brutal! done it on an old E46.
the dealers can see the 'blue heat spots' on the flywheel and can register L/c so if you are trying to get one under warranty then beware. mine came up with no launches thank god.
as for lifeline then some people are up to nearly 40k on a clutch!
I have been advised to pop it in neutral when at stand still as you are still riding the clutch albeit a little but it all adds up!
somoene like Thorney can do a clutch for you as well as put in an uprated one. not sure on the warranty issues though.
C2, sytner in HW were excellent and got to pop back in next week to get the seat fixed.
ask for CAMERON BEGG as he is a sound guy plus his engineers seem interested in the CSL and want to look after them.
I have heard that Holland park are good to but stay away from other london dealers. not sure where you are based but
MURKETTS in the cambs area.
hope this helps.
Nick
Launch controls Kill the clutch as it is so brutal! done it on an old E46.
the dealers can see the 'blue heat spots' on the flywheel and can register L/c so if you are trying to get one under warranty then beware. mine came up with no launches thank god.
as for lifeline then some people are up to nearly 40k on a clutch!
I have been advised to pop it in neutral when at stand still as you are still riding the clutch albeit a little but it all adds up!
somoene like Thorney can do a clutch for you as well as put in an uprated one. not sure on the warranty issues though.
C2, sytner in HW were excellent and got to pop back in next week to get the seat fixed.
ask for CAMERON BEGG as he is a sound guy plus his engineers seem interested in the CSL and want to look after them.
I have heard that Holland park are good to but stay away from other london dealers. not sure where you are based but
MURKETTS in the cambs area.
hope this helps.
Nick
Thanks Nick, I'm going to call them later. I'm Surrey based so it's not a million miles away and I want to take it to someone who knows what a CSL is!
My clutch is OK but is slipping on upchanges a bit and I'm hoping a software tweak can sort it. I've also heard that worn steering wheels can be changed under warranty too.
Were your RTABs covered by warranty or are they classed as wear and tear do you know?
'Thanks Nick, I'm going to call them later. I'm Surrey based so it's not a million miles away and I want to take it to someone who knows what a CSL is!'
WELL WORTH DOING C2 AND GLAD I COULD HELP. HELPS U FELL BETTER IF THEY KNOW THEIR STUFF!!
'My clutch is OK but is slipping on upchanges a bit and I'm hoping a software tweak can sort it. I've also heard that worn steering wheels can be changed under warranty too'
THERE IS A NEW DME PROGRAM OUT SO TRY THAT. THEY DONE IT ON MINE N IT WAS STILL DOING IT UNDER LOAD FROM 3RD TO 4TH. HENCE THE NEW CLUTCH AND FLYWHEEL!! IT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CAR NOW I HAVE TO SAY!!
'Were your RTABs covered by warranty or are they classed as wear and tear do you know?'
RATB IS COVERED UNDER WARRANTY AS SEEN AS A MFR DEFECT. YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK ABOUT UPRATED ONES BUT A NEW SET MAKE THE CAR FEEL GOOD AGAIN. IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE TOO MUCH TRACK WORK THEN YOU SHOULD BE FINE WITH YOUR RTAB. PERSOANLLY I THINK THEY JUST DONE IT FOR THE BOOKS AND $$ BUT THERE YOU GO!!
NW
WELL WORTH DOING C2 AND GLAD I COULD HELP. HELPS U FELL BETTER IF THEY KNOW THEIR STUFF!!
'My clutch is OK but is slipping on upchanges a bit and I'm hoping a software tweak can sort it. I've also heard that worn steering wheels can be changed under warranty too'
THERE IS A NEW DME PROGRAM OUT SO TRY THAT. THEY DONE IT ON MINE N IT WAS STILL DOING IT UNDER LOAD FROM 3RD TO 4TH. HENCE THE NEW CLUTCH AND FLYWHEEL!! IT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CAR NOW I HAVE TO SAY!!
'Were your RTABs covered by warranty or are they classed as wear and tear do you know?'
RATB IS COVERED UNDER WARRANTY AS SEEN AS A MFR DEFECT. YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK ABOUT UPRATED ONES BUT A NEW SET MAKE THE CAR FEEL GOOD AGAIN. IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE TOO MUCH TRACK WORK THEN YOU SHOULD BE FINE WITH YOUR RTAB. PERSOANLLY I THINK THEY JUST DONE IT FOR THE BOOKS AND $$ BUT THERE YOU GO!!
NW
Thats great Nick, thanks again.
I think I've had the car slightly less time than you've had yours (about 4 weeks) so I've not had a chance to do a track yet and couldn't comment about the previous owner.
The handling is not as good as I thought it would be though and I want to get the RATBs checked as a possible cause.
I'll let you know how I get one.
I think I've had the car slightly less time than you've had yours (about 4 weeks) so I've not had a chance to do a track yet and couldn't comment about the previous owner.
The handling is not as good as I thought it would be though and I want to get the RATBs checked as a possible cause.
I'll let you know how I get one.
DasChin said:
handling issues? what sort?
if it tends to wobble and over steer on acceleration and braking then maybe the RTABs are shot?
worth checking. what year and mileage on the car?
if it tends to wobble and over steer on acceleration and braking then maybe the RTABs are shot?
worth checking. what year and mileage on the car?
It's difficult to quantify really - v low levels of grip c/w the 911.....going to get them to take a look and see if anythings amiss.
It's an 04 plate with 20k miles..
Edited by Carrera2 on Monday 23 October 14:12
What tyres does it have and do you mean grip or traction? Cups in the current weather have no grip at all 
but generally the CSL has a lot less traction than any 911 anyway.
RTAB can go after about 10k miles, I just moved to the solid Simpson bushes and the difference is awesome, so much more stable during high speed corners and under acceleration.
but generally the CSL has a lot less traction than any 911 anyway. RTAB can go after about 10k miles, I just moved to the solid Simpson bushes and the difference is awesome, so much more stable during high speed corners and under acceleration.
mine is going in for its 1st diagnosis on Friday, got the clunking at the rear going into r/h corners and its feels a little 'wayward' when nailing it through 2nd/3rd/4th etc
Got a bit of slip when short shifting 3rd/4th and also got water ingress into the csl kick plates which all should be sorted under warranty.
Mine has a new steering just before i bought it, but the drivers outside edge seat bolster is looking a little shiny so i will ask about that??
Car is June 04 with 27k
Coming from a 911 too the it feel nowhere near as planted but its sooooo much more balanced you can go into a corner 'all crossed up' without any real drama!! awesome stuff! oh and its great for drifting
LC is awesome! It wouldnt be a feature if was THAT bad for the car
Got a bit of slip when short shifting 3rd/4th and also got water ingress into the csl kick plates which all should be sorted under warranty.
Mine has a new steering just before i bought it, but the drivers outside edge seat bolster is looking a little shiny so i will ask about that??
Car is June 04 with 27k
Coming from a 911 too the it feel nowhere near as planted but its sooooo much more balanced you can go into a corner 'all crossed up' without any real drama!! awesome stuff! oh and its great for drifting
LC is awesome! It wouldnt be a feature if was THAT bad for the car
Edited by chillo on Monday 23 October 14:32
Zod said:
DasChin, why do you perpetuate that persistent falsehood that launch control voids the warranty? It does not. Overuse of launch control could be characterised as warranty-voiding abuse, but using it a couple of times a year is absolutely fine.
Yep, and it is so funny doing it, just brutal
I've had 2 clutches replaced, each one had a couple of LCs on it. Edited by m12_nathan on Monday 23 October 15:13
zod
just going what the dealer said in terms of how many times it is acceptable for warranty purpose. they are saying that over 6 to 7 times will invalidate the warranty.
if you know better then great!
C2, the csl will never have the grip and traciton of a 911 due to the weight being elsewhere. nothinig punches out of a corner (well since what I have owned) like a 911.
i noticed it at bedford following some 911s and they fly out of corner. not happy going in, tail wagging all over the place and the CSL would make up a lot of time under braking and working the car mid corner.
a gt3 tried that and spun it right behind me.
just going what the dealer said in terms of how many times it is acceptable for warranty purpose. they are saying that over 6 to 7 times will invalidate the warranty.
if you know better then great!
C2, the csl will never have the grip and traciton of a 911 due to the weight being elsewhere. nothinig punches out of a corner (well since what I have owned) like a 911.
i noticed it at bedford following some 911s and they fly out of corner. not happy going in, tail wagging all over the place and the CSL would make up a lot of time under braking and working the car mid corner.
a gt3 tried that and spun it right behind me.
Just spoke with my dealer about getting a new clutch and rear bushes, they seemed fine with it... will have to see about this launch control thing because i've definately done it about 6 times, maybe more and if you're correct daschin i'm f**ked! Fingers crossed eh!
Anyway if lc is such a problem i dont understand why the hell they don't have a very small, very inexpensive computer chip that counts how many times you're done it and tells you that you're about to invalidate the warranty if you do it anymore...would be sooooo much simpler
Has anyone here actually had their warranty invalidated due to too many launch controls??? may just be hot air from bmw
How was the CSL round bedford Daschin? Bet you had the time of your life with your thoroughly sorted ride!!
Anyway if lc is such a problem i dont understand why the hell they don't have a very small, very inexpensive computer chip that counts how many times you're done it and tells you that you're about to invalidate the warranty if you do it anymore...would be sooooo much simpler
Has anyone here actually had their warranty invalidated due to too many launch controls??? may just be hot air from bmw
How was the CSL round bedford Daschin? Bet you had the time of your life with your thoroughly sorted ride!!
DasChin said:
ask for CAMERON BEGG as he is a sound guy plus his engineers seem interested in the CSL and want to look after them.
Used Sytner HW (previously GX) for a while now and Cameron has always been very helpful
Only downside is that the wifi in the service area is not free. Stingy. Less B&O TV's, more free internet please
The DME does count the LCs and it is normal that this data is sent to BMW technical as part of a Clutch warrenty claim, don't know if it records the date against each one though so who knows how they tell how many you've done to each clutch? If it is the standard CSL clutch issue the friction material will be fine anyway so they can't call it abuse really.
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