BMW factory collection
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jamoor said:
I am thinking of buying a brand new 118i SE for 23k, (lots of extras)
is it possible for me to collect my car from the factory like mercs?
is it possible for me to collect my car from the factory like mercs?
I wouldn't spend £23k on a 118. You'll lose £10k in the first yr. Buy a demo 05/55 E87 130i M Sport with leather and xenons for £23k if it has to be a 1 series. Personally I'd go for £24k buys a E90 330i SE as an Approved Used Car; £28k will buy one with prof nav, leather and xenons. Sorry can't help with factory collection.
jamoor,
there is a handover facility in Munich, which I think is available for customer collection - eg US purchasers collecting new cars which they drive around europe before being shipped back to the US.
But there is nothing there to see. Factory tours are available, but currently need to be booked several months in advance.
A new customer centre is under construction and due to complete in the next few months which would be more what you're thinking of.
(I've just picked up my second 116i, and although it's an ok car, I don't think I'd put too much money into one....)
there is a handover facility in Munich, which I think is available for customer collection - eg US purchasers collecting new cars which they drive around europe before being shipped back to the US.
But there is nothing there to see. Factory tours are available, but currently need to be booked several months in advance.
A new customer centre is under construction and due to complete in the next few months which would be more what you're thinking of.
(I've just picked up my second 116i, and although it's an ok car, I don't think I'd put too much money into one....)
d1bble said:
Ollie Tebbutt said:
I concur Baz. Or I hate to say it, a 330d Beemer with all the trimmings.
Me too. Sorry to wee on your parade 
Moving up a bit, there are dozens of perfectly reasonable 320s
around for a lot less money.
Here is a link to the official BMW website, and their authorised
used car programme.
www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/auc/national_search_result/0,5065,1260_159980106__,00.html?D=Nat
You could save 5-10K easily and still have a car with delivery mileage [ < 10K]
and have a bigger car.
I agree with earlier sentiment - if you're going to buy a 1 series, pick up an ex-demo 130i. I've just paid 24k for a 6 month old 130i M Sport with leather, sat nav, xenons and lots of other options, plus 5 years' service and maintenance inclusive (list price would have been £34k new!).
Pete
Pete
pete said:
I agree with earlier sentiment - if you're going to buy a 1 series, pick up an ex-demo 130i. I've just paid 24k for a 6 month old 130i M Sport with leather, sat nav, xenons and lots of other options, plus 5 years' service and maintenance inclusive (list price would have been £34k new!).
Pete
Pete
Congrats, fantastic car at a great price; it'll more than show up a MkV R32. Still at nearly £25k I'd be looking at a BMW AUC 03 facelift E46 M3 SMG.
baz1985 said:
Still at nearly £25k I'd be looking at a BMW AUC 03 facelift E46 M3 SMG.
Well the M3 isn't really comparable, because the difficulty in owning an M3 isn't the capital outlay to buy it, it's the fuel, servicing and second-to-none insurance. Bodo said:
All those proposed must be more expensive to run than a 118i
Well it's a value-for-money thing really. Whilst some things might cost a little more, they have a lot more benefit, so it's a better investment. For £23k you can have a totally mint Z4 2.0i with all the options, and it won't really cost any more to run than a 118i.
Bodo said:
I don't understand the fuss about getting a more powerful but older car for the same investment. All those proposed must be more expensive to run than a 118i 
What the posts are saying is think of the depreciation that one would incur straight away, if you you buy a 6 month old 1 series you will be saving a shed load of money.
Pete above bought a 6 month old 130i and saved the thick end of £10,000. I think that is a no brainer instead of paying £23,000 for a new 118i, which with respect is going to depreciate very fast and is probably not the most sort after 1 series.
Bodo said:
I don't understand the fuss about getting a more powerful but older car for the same investment. All those proposed must be more expensive to run than a 118i
Yes, they cost more to run, but then you will be driving one of the best modern performance cars. If it was cost benefit analysis; you'd buy a yr old Astra instead of an E87. I've driven at many E87s...on a thrash 23.3mpg (actual) in a 120d SE; thrash a E46 M3 still no worse than 17-18mpg- same as my 330. The servicing is dearer; with connections you can minimise this- supply the oil, haggle etc. I bought a used E46 330, as although I could afford the outlay of a used E46 M3 at my age insurance is simply untenable. For someone at 25 insurance it is less of a factor £500 here or there is hardly a big proportion when you're spending £20k+, but £3-4k is too much. The reality is that an M3 does not cost much more than a 330 to run in terms of fuel or servicing; it is the capital outlay that is the perhaps the greater difference although even this is relatively insignificant. I'd argue that youth is the limiting factor with respect to insurance and thus affordability of a high performance car; for it is by no mean apt to spend £4k to insure oneself. PS: I can only laugh at the deluded paying £25k+ for new MkV R32s, when they can buy the same car at 1yr old at £19k in a Audi A3 3.2 Quat Sport.
Baz
Edited by baz1985 on Tuesday 13th June 15:58
Edited by baz1985 on Tuesday 13th June 16:00
baz1985 said:
I've driven at many E87s...on a thrash 23.3mpg (actual) in a 120d SE
23.3mpg? Are you sure you put the fuel cap back on? There wasn't a big puddle of diesel on the road when you left the car was there? Unfortunately you need to compare like with like; you can haggle over servicing an M3 and provide your own oil, but you can with a 1-Series to the same degree, and so the gap in servicing cost remains the same.
And whilst you can get an M3 for around £24k-£25k, it'll have done a lot of miles with what is a less robust engine than most, so you're looking at the famous M-Warranty extension costs. Either that or you run the risk and when the VANOS goes your financial freedom is over.
Everything I've read saysthe R32 performance is pretty much identical to the 130i.
Servicing wise at the same dealer you're looking at roughly double the cost between an inspection service on a 330 and an M3. If you thrash an M3 it will drink more fuel than a 330 not that fuel is anything like a big cost in the scheme of things. Warrenty costs are much, much higher as is insurance. Tyres costs more, brakes cost more etc, etc. To say that there is not much difference is misleading.
Servicing wise at the same dealer you're looking at roughly double the cost between an inspection service on a 330 and an M3. If you thrash an M3 it will drink more fuel than a 330 not that fuel is anything like a big cost in the scheme of things. Warrenty costs are much, much higher as is insurance. Tyres costs more, brakes cost more etc, etc. To say that there is not much difference is misleading.
Andrew D said:
baz1985 said:
I've driven at many E87s...on a thrash 23.3mpg (actual) in a 120d SE
23.3mpg? Are you sure you put the fuel cap back on? There wasn't a big puddle of diesel on the road when you left the car was there? Unfortunately you need to compare like with like; you can haggle over servicing an M3 and provide your own oil, but you can with a 1-Series to the same degree, and so the gap in servicing cost remains the same.
And whilst you can get an M3 for around £24k-£25k, it'll have done a lot of miles with what is a less robust engine than most, so you're looking at the famous M-Warranty extension costs. Either that or you run the risk and when the VANOS goes your financial freedom is over.
In fact I achieved 23mpg in 2 E87s 120d; it is my aggressive thrashing driving style which makes fuel economy pretty much irrelevant
On several thrash convoys my car (330 auto) has performed much worse than E46 M3s in terms of fuel consumption. Usually circa 13-14mpg for mine and 18-19mpg for the M3. So I don't buy the fuel argument, yes servicing is dearer (tyres are the same for me as I have 19s on mine). Servicing is dearer I accept, but what is £600-700 extra per year- not that much; insurance maybe £1k dearer; but you have to pay for fun. In terms of enjoyment per pound the E46 M3 is nigh on unbeatable!
Edited by baz1985 on Tuesday 13th June 17:16
m12_nathan said:
But to claim the running costs are similar as you originally did is silly.
Your auto box is apparently rubbish for fuel as well as driving enjoyment, though I don't see how people can get 18mpg on a "thrash" in an M3???
Your auto box is apparently rubbish for fuel as well as driving enjoyment, though I don't see how people can get 18mpg on a "thrash" in an M3???
I accept my original claim was wide of the mark in terms of running costs, my argument was that in terms of capital outlay, running costs are fairly insignificant.
Andy Oh said:
Bodo said:
I don't understand the fuss about getting a more powerful but older car for the same investment. All those proposed must be more expensive to run than a 118i
What the posts are saying is think of the depreciation that one would incur straight away, if you you buy a 6 month old 1 series you will be saving a shed load of money.
Pete above bought a 6 month old 130i and saved the thick end of £10,000. I think that is a no brainer instead of paying £23,000 for a new 118i, which with respect is going to depreciate very fast and is probably not the most sort after 1 series.
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