Crank no start, after Engine head cover change N47 engie
Crank no start, after Engine head cover change N47 engie
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TarekAnwar

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8 posts

Friday 6th February
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I did engine head cover change and when i try cranking i get crank with no start
checked bimmerlink got the following parameters
injection status 24
crank speed 214
injection flow 38 mg/hub
Desired injection 33mg/hub
status rail pressure 2
absolute throttle position 89%
Offset cam angle -0.61°

E-bmw

12,074 posts

174 months

Friday 6th February
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The simple answer is, if it worked before you did stuff, and doesn't work now, then you have removed/unplugged/incorrectly fitted something in the process of doing the job.

TarekAnwar

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Friday 6th February
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Thanks for your reply, yes it was working fine but i double checked every clip again and every thing is correct- what might be an unforseen issue that the computer cant identify

E-bmw

12,074 posts

174 months

Friday 6th February
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TarekAnwar said:
Thanks for your reply, yes it was working fine but i double checked every clip again and every thing is correct- what might be an unforseen issue that the computer cant identify
Seriously, it could be virtually anything in there, you need to go over it again & look closer.

TarekAnwar

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Friday 6th February
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E-bmw said:
TarekAnwar said:
Thanks for your reply, yes it was working fine but i double checked every clip again and every thing is correct- what might be an unforseen issue that the computer cant identify
Seriously, it could be virtually anything in there, you need to go over it again & look closer.
I did DDE diagnosis and i got error 25D100 which return and doesnt get reset

Error description
Boost pressure sensor, signal: interruption or short circuit to ground

This is the description as in bimmer link

Elliot2000

786 posts

198 months

Tuesday
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So if you have had the cam cover off, then the injectors and fuels lines will have been off too- there is a bleed routine for the fuel system, even with this it can take a while to fire up.
I’d suggest some easy start spray first as that would help rule out a few things and it will get the engine turning over quicker than just on the starter motor, if it fires up on it, which will help the fuel pressure too.

TarekAnwar

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Tuesday
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So the last updates is that i removed the injectors and the fuel rail again and cranked the engine to remove any excess fuel in the cylinders, there was little in cylinder 4 then i reassembled all the system then i tried cranking with releasing the air from the fuel system by slightly unscrewing the fuel line at the injector until it spill little fuel, one by one for the 4 injectors, cranked the engine and the OBD ERRORS are all reset and no faults appear anymore, and fuel rail pressue reached 400 bar during cranking now.

I am stuck i dont know what should be done more ?!
I think the DDE is blocking injection. But i dont know why..

E-bmw

12,074 posts

174 months

Tuesday
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TarekAnwar said:
I am stuck i dont know what should be done more ?!
I think the DDE is blocking injection. But i dont know why..
So, why are you assuming the injectors aren't injecting?

You say you have fuel pressure but don't mention checking if the injectors are actually injecting fuel.

TarekAnwar

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Tuesday
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You are right, there is injection quantity read during cranking, 56mg/hub
While required is 48mg/hub so its more for starting.. looks normal… what dod you suggest?

TarekAnwar

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Tuesday
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E-bmw said:
TarekAnwar said:
I am stuck i dont know what should be done more ?!
I think the DDE is blocking injection. But i dont know why..
So, why are you assuming the injectors aren't injecting?

You say you have fuel pressure but don't mention checking if the injectors are actually injecting fuel.

Jakg

3,927 posts

190 months

Tuesday
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Elliot2000 said:
So if you have had the cam cover off, then the injectors and fuels lines will have been off too- there is a bleed routine for the fuel system, even with this it can take a while to fire up.
I d suggest some easy start spray first as that would help rule out a few things and it will get the engine turning over quicker than just on the starter motor, if it fires up on it, which will help the fuel pressure too.
I know you've said you've bled it already, but they (at least the N57) can be a pain to start after having the fuel system apart.

The diagnostic screenshots you've shared are a bit confusing - the values look a bit strange but then there are no units.

The other thing that I'd be checking is that you have valid cam/crank sensor readings as it's cranking - if they are out-of-sync, the ECU won't let the engine start.

TarekAnwar

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8 posts

Tuesday
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Jakg said:
Elliot2000 said:
So if you have had the cam cover off, then the injectors and fuels lines will have been off too- there is a bleed routine for the fuel system, even with this it can take a while to fire up.
I d suggest some easy start spray first as that would help rule out a few things and it will get the engine turning over quicker than just on the starter motor, if it fires up on it, which will help the fuel pressure too.
I know you've said you've bled it already, but they (at least the N57) can be a pain to start after having the fuel system apart.

The diagnostic screenshots you've shared are a bit confusing - the values look a bit strange but then there are no units.

The other thing that I'd be checking is that you have valid cam/crank sensor readings as it's cranking - if they are out-of-sync, the ECU won't let the engine start.
The units of the readings are under each one and parameters without are just status parameters, I will system bleed then..

These are other live data i recorded during cranking