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Seen these on a few cars recently and they were plugged by my tyre dealer. Has anyone put these on a BMW 3 series? Just wondering if they are good or bad. I can find very little information on them as they don't feature in the UK tyre tests, although there are customer reviews on Tyre Reviews which interestingly the Protoura Sport scores quite low for wet weather grip (58%) but the DX640, pretty decent at 71%. Reviews however seem quite extreme, either "Brilliantly grippy in all conditions" or "These tyres are lethal in the wet" !!!
So, interested to know if any fellow 3 series owners have any experience. I removed my OE RFTs in December and like the ride afforded by my chosen non RFT but that particular tyre has very soft sidewalls which for me has wrecked the handling somewhat, so I am weighing up what to do!!
So, interested to know if any fellow 3 series owners have any experience. I removed my OE RFTs in December and like the ride afforded by my chosen non RFT but that particular tyre has very soft sidewalls which for me has wrecked the handling somewhat, so I am weighing up what to do!!
I know a few folk that ran Davanti tyres and then binned them ASAP; utter crap & certainly not ones I'd run on any car personally. Budget tyres...
You'd be better off with the likes of Uniroyal Rainsport5s, Nexen N'Fera SU1s, Falken & Kumho's as well
See what Camskill can offer (you just need to get them fitted locally)
You'd be better off with the likes of Uniroyal Rainsport5s, Nexen N'Fera SU1s, Falken & Kumho's as well
See what Camskill can offer (you just need to get them fitted locally)
G Thang said:
Seen a lot of local independents pushing these as being good quality. I wondered why, my guess is a good markup.
Fairly expensive for budgets.
They do round here too; those and Greenlane/Radar/Black Royal/Linglong/Accelera etc... Wouldn't touch any of them at all personallyFairly expensive for budgets.
Geffg said:
Did you get your non runflat tyres with the load rating as XL? Years ago when I replaced mine on a 3 series I got the XL ones and they were ok. It was recommended rather than standard tyres.
That's a good point, I think they aren't XL. Its my own fault really, have been using a different tyre dealer to support a local business who had given me good service when I got 2 front tyres on an Astra. I put on 4 Matadors whom tbh I hadnt heard of, but because they'd impressed me on the Astra thought would be ok. The BMW is a different beast however and because the sidewalls are so soft, the car just feels like a big blancmange now when you chuck it into a bend. Rides beautifully now and tbh the wet weather grip is pretty good, but the tyre just squidges under load. Having shelled out £410 for four I can't really afford to just ditch new tyres, but a drive to Cornwall yesterday made me so frustrated that I am starting to wonder.... Davantis came to mind as the garage also plug them but I think in truth they must be a dealer for these two tyre firms so it would be repeating the mistake!I was going to go Falken or Kumho PS71 to start with and got persuaded otherwise. What an idiot I am!!!
greenarrow said:
Geffg said:
Did you get your non runflat tyres with the load rating as XL? Years ago when I replaced mine on a 3 series I got the XL ones and they were ok. It was recommended rather than standard tyres.
That's a good point, I think they aren't XL. Its my own fault really, have been using a different tyre dealer to support a local business who had given me good service when I got 2 front tyres on an Astra. I put on 4 Matadors whom tbh I hadnt heard of, but because they'd impressed me on the Astra thought would be ok. The BMW is a different beast however and because the sidewalls are so soft, the car just feels like a big blancmange now when you chuck it into a bend. Rides beautifully now and tbh the wet weather grip is pretty good, but the tyre just squidges under load. Having shelled out £410 for four I can't really afford to just ditch new tyres, but a drive to Cornwall yesterday made me so frustrated that I am starting to wonder.... Davantis came to mind as the garage also plug them but I think in truth they must be a dealer for these two tyre firms so it would be repeating the mistake!I was going to go Falken or Kumho PS71 to start with and got persuaded otherwise. What an idiot I am!!!
Every time I've put my preference of rubber onto freshly refurbed wheels and the tyres I've taken off are still roadworthy; I've sold them on eBay with zero issues
E-bmw said:
They are universally sh!t, the problem with online reviews is they are written by joe public, a lot of which wouldn't know a good tyre from a donut.
Hence why the reviews vary so much.
Agreed but there are also a lot of "experts" who reckon that they can tell the difference in 1psi of pressure difference and are clearly tyre godsHence why the reviews vary so much.
Most people when mid-range and above would struggle to feel discernible differences between comparably priced tyres in 99% of normal driving situations
Whilst I have the attention of the BMW massive, reference was made to Michelin tyres earlier in this thread, so has anyone used PS4 or PS5s as a non run flat on their 3 series? I'm particularly interested in anyone running a higher profile tyre like mine, rather than rubber band tyres. Mine are 225/50/17.
greenarrow said:
Whilst I have the attention of the BMW massive, reference was made to Michelin tyres earlier in this thread, so has anyone used PS4 or PS5s as a non run flat on their 3 series? I'm particularly interested in anyone running a higher profile tyre like mine, rather than rubber band tyres. Mine are 225/50/17.
Not on a 3 series; but PS4s on my Jap import 530i Sport touring - 235/45/17sAbsolutely superb tyres; great drive.smooth & quiet/great handling
Also running Goodyear all seasons and Assym6s in 235/45/18s on my F31 - again, superb tyres & very much the same as above
greenarrow said:
Whilst I have the attention of the BMW massive, reference was made to Michelin tyres earlier in this thread, so has anyone used PS4 or PS5s as a non run flat on their 3 series? I'm particularly interested in anyone running a higher profile tyre like mine, rather than rubber band tyres. Mine are 225/50/17.
I ran PS4’s on my 130i LE albeit on 18’s with fairly low profile tyres. I really rated them to be fair; I thought they were a bit better in the wet than the Good Years I’ve run on my 335i and my wife’s 330i.Andy665 said:
Agreed but there are also a lot of "experts" who reckon that they can tell the difference in 1psi of pressure difference and are clearly tyre gods
Most people when mid-range and above would struggle to feel discernible differences between comparably priced tyres in 99% of normal driving situations
Re the mid range to high performance, that’s probably a fair comment. Certainly in road use, I can’t tell much difference between Kumho and Falken performance tyres versus the premium however the ditch finders were noticeably worse on the loan wheels I had.Most people when mid-range and above would struggle to feel discernible differences between comparably priced tyres in 99% of normal driving situations
I've been a tart for tyres for a good while and have run a second set of wheels with winters on for the daily cars for a number of years now. The difference between a decent tyre and a ditchfinder became very apparent to me last week.
My wife managed to burst one of the Cross climates I had on our 340i. I use them as "winters" as the vast majority of the time they're a better bet than full winters. This was "suboptimal" given I had sold the other set of wheels the day before as the day after I was trading the car in against an M340i. So, £255 for an emergency replacement ditchfinder later (FFS) and I was mobile again and could go and sell it (fessed up to the dealer, they weren't bothered as they were going to put new rubber on it anyway before retail).
So, up front two cross climates with decent tread. At the rear, on the right a decent but worn cross climate and on the left a brand new ditchfinder. I had a 200mile drive to go and get the new car and it was "interesting". The left rear would merrily spin up without much provocation and I was very aware of the lack of grip at the back end on roundabouts. To say I took it easy going through standing water on the motorway is an understatement.
My wife managed to burst one of the Cross climates I had on our 340i. I use them as "winters" as the vast majority of the time they're a better bet than full winters. This was "suboptimal" given I had sold the other set of wheels the day before as the day after I was trading the car in against an M340i. So, £255 for an emergency replacement ditchfinder later (FFS) and I was mobile again and could go and sell it (fessed up to the dealer, they weren't bothered as they were going to put new rubber on it anyway before retail).
So, up front two cross climates with decent tread. At the rear, on the right a decent but worn cross climate and on the left a brand new ditchfinder. I had a 200mile drive to go and get the new car and it was "interesting". The left rear would merrily spin up without much provocation and I was very aware of the lack of grip at the back end on roundabouts. To say I took it easy going through standing water on the motorway is an understatement.
I've been a tart for tyres for a good while and have run a second set of wheels with winters on for the daily cars for a number of years now. The difference between a decent tyre and a ditchfinder became very apparent to me last week.
My wife managed to burst one of the Cross climates I had on our 340i. I use them as "winters" as the vast majority of the time they're a better bet than full winters. This was "suboptimal" given I had sold the other set of wheels the day before as the day after I was trading the car in against an M340i. So, £255 for an emergency replacement ditchfinder later (FFS) and I was mobile again and could go and sell it (fessed up to the dealer, they weren't bothered as they were going to put new rubber on it anyway before retail).
So, up front two cross climates with decent tread. At the rear, on the right a decent but worn cross climate and on the left a brand new ditchfinder. I had a 200mile drive to go and get the new car and it was "interesting". The left rear would merrily spin up without much provocation and I was very aware of the lack of grip at the back end on roundabouts. To say I took it easy going through standing water on the motorway is an understatement.
My wife managed to burst one of the Cross climates I had on our 340i. I use them as "winters" as the vast majority of the time they're a better bet than full winters. This was "suboptimal" given I had sold the other set of wheels the day before as the day after I was trading the car in against an M340i. So, £255 for an emergency replacement ditchfinder later (FFS) and I was mobile again and could go and sell it (fessed up to the dealer, they weren't bothered as they were going to put new rubber on it anyway before retail).
So, up front two cross climates with decent tread. At the rear, on the right a decent but worn cross climate and on the left a brand new ditchfinder. I had a 200mile drive to go and get the new car and it was "interesting". The left rear would merrily spin up without much provocation and I was very aware of the lack of grip at the back end on roundabouts. To say I took it easy going through standing water on the motorway is an understatement.
Benmac said:
I've been a tart for tyres for a good while and have run a second set of wheels with winters on for the daily cars for a number of years now. The difference between a decent tyre and a ditchfinder became very apparent to me last week.
My wife managed to burst one of the Cross climates I had on our 340i. I use them as "winters" as the vast majority of the time they're a better bet than full winters. This was "suboptimal" given I had sold the other set of wheels the day before as the day after I was trading the car in against an M340i. So, £255 for an emergency replacement ditchfinder later (FFS) and I was mobile again and could go and sell it (fessed up to the dealer, they weren't bothered as they were going to put new rubber on it anyway before retail).
So, up front two cross climates with decent tread. At the rear, on the right a decent but worn cross climate and on the left a brand new ditchfinder. I had a 200mile drive to go and get the new car and it was "interesting". The left rear would merrily spin up without much provocation and I was very aware of the lack of grip at the back end on roundabouts. To say I took it easy going through standing water on the motorway is an understatement.
Is that not more to do with 2 different tyres on the same axle; which is usually a no-no?My wife managed to burst one of the Cross climates I had on our 340i. I use them as "winters" as the vast majority of the time they're a better bet than full winters. This was "suboptimal" given I had sold the other set of wheels the day before as the day after I was trading the car in against an M340i. So, £255 for an emergency replacement ditchfinder later (FFS) and I was mobile again and could go and sell it (fessed up to the dealer, they weren't bothered as they were going to put new rubber on it anyway before retail).
So, up front two cross climates with decent tread. At the rear, on the right a decent but worn cross climate and on the left a brand new ditchfinder. I had a 200mile drive to go and get the new car and it was "interesting". The left rear would merrily spin up without much provocation and I was very aware of the lack of grip at the back end on roundabouts. To say I took it easy going through standing water on the motorway is an understatement.
Agree that all-seasons are a good 'winter' alternative; the Goodyear Vector's I'm running have been great and went that route instead of dedicated winters this time around as even though we've had some snow here in Lancashire and a few cold spells; they're not long enough/cold enough for full blown winters. Even up to The Highlands they performed superbly
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