Which 4 Series GC to go for?
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Looking at getting a 4 Series Gran Coupe. So far I've been considering the 430d, 435d. Always been used to diesels but honestly wondering if it's worth getting a petrol.
I do mostly town driving, with the occasional 20-30 mile motorway run. Couple of times a year I'll run down to the south of France, say 2000 mile round trip. Is it really worth bothering with a diesel for this occasional motorway run or would I be better to look at a petrol? Worried about fuel economy, but with diesel being almost 30p more per litre than petrol that may not be such a huge issue.
If I were to consider petrol, is a 435i a better choice over the 440i in terms of fuel/performance balance? If fuel costs were no object I'd definitely go for the 440i, but the MPG figures are a bit eye watering
I do mostly town driving, with the occasional 20-30 mile motorway run. Couple of times a year I'll run down to the south of France, say 2000 mile round trip. Is it really worth bothering with a diesel for this occasional motorway run or would I be better to look at a petrol? Worried about fuel economy, but with diesel being almost 30p more per litre than petrol that may not be such a huge issue.
If I were to consider petrol, is a 435i a better choice over the 440i in terms of fuel/performance balance? If fuel costs were no object I'd definitely go for the 440i, but the MPG figures are a bit eye watering
I'm intending to buy an F32 440i at some point in the not too distant future. My research suggests 40mpg+ on a steady run on a motorway/dual carriageway/fast A road, which is what it would mainly be used for. However, round town you'd probably be better with a 420i if you're after a petrol one. If buying a diesel make sure it gets a good run out on a regular basis to avoid DPF issues.
aturnick54 said:
If fuel costs were no object I'd definitely go for the 440i, but the MPG figures are a bit eye watering
What MPG figures have you seen?Edited by MitchT on Friday 2nd December 11:59
You should get 40+ on a decent run but the average could easily fall into the 30s with any kind of disruption to a steady flow of circa 60mph driving. I think this is quite a good review... https://youtu.be/EseyEXJ6CFc
If you want power but also fuel mileage then maybe still look at a diesel variant. I want a 440i because I've always wanted a six cylinder petrol BMW and can finally afford to buy and run one. I'm happy with the mpg for what I'll be using it for and my OH has a 120d which provides a relatively cheap way of doing the town stuff.
If you want power but also fuel mileage then maybe still look at a diesel variant. I want a 440i because I've always wanted a six cylinder petrol BMW and can finally afford to buy and run one. I'm happy with the mpg for what I'll be using it for and my OH has a 120d which provides a relatively cheap way of doing the town stuff.
I have a (non GC) 435d which I bought in September. It was my first diesel
I really like the engine in this. The performance is great and it will easily do 40mpg on the motorway at a "good speed". I suspect 50mpg+ is achievable if you knock off the pace a bit
In hindsight I think a 430d would be equally as good as for the most part it's hard to easily realise the full potential of the 35d
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I really like the engine in this. The performance is great and it will easily do 40mpg on the motorway at a "good speed". I suspect 50mpg+ is achievable if you knock off the pace a bit
In hindsight I think a 430d would be equally as good as for the most part it's hard to easily realise the full potential of the 35d
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MitchT said:
You should get 40+ on a decent run but the average could easily fall into the 30s with any kind of disruption to a steady flow of circa 60mph driving. I think this is quite a good review... https://youtu.be/EseyEXJ6CFc
If you want power but also fuel mileage then maybe still look at a diesel variant. I want a 440i because I've always wanted a six cylinder petrol BMW and can finally afford to buy and run one. I'm happy with the mpg for what I'll be using it for and my OH has a 120d which provides a relatively cheap way of doing the town stuff.
The 440i sounds great, although the fuel consumption is off-putting which is tempting me towards a diesel. Although I'd be interested to know how that translates to cost nowadays as diesel is 30p per litre more. May be very little difference in fuel costs.If you want power but also fuel mileage then maybe still look at a diesel variant. I want a 440i because I've always wanted a six cylinder petrol BMW and can finally afford to buy and run one. I'm happy with the mpg for what I'll be using it for and my OH has a 120d which provides a relatively cheap way of doing the town stuff.
flight147z said:
I have a (non GC) 435d which I bought in September. It was my first diesel
I really like the engine in this. The performance is great and it will easily do 40mpg on the motorway at a "good speed". I suspect 50mpg+ is achievable if you knock off the pace a bit
In hindsight I think a 430d would be equally as good as for the most part it's hard to easily realise the full potential of the 35d
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I have driven the 30d a few times, very smooth for a diesel and plenty of power. How do you get on with the X-Drive? Some people have said they'd prefer a 30d to get RWD.I really like the engine in this. The performance is great and it will easily do 40mpg on the motorway at a "good speed". I suspect 50mpg+ is achievable if you knock off the pace a bit
In hindsight I think a 430d would be equally as good as for the most part it's hard to easily realise the full potential of the 35d
upload your pictures online
aturnick54 said:
I have driven the 30d a few times, very smooth for a diesel and plenty of power. How do you get on with the X-Drive? Some people have said they'd prefer a 30d to get RWD.
This is my first X-Drive car. My last car was an e86 z4I could live with either to be honest, there is significantly more grip with X-Drive though and it never loses traction even accelerating hard out of roundabouts etc. in the damp. The downside to X-Drive is that the car sits a little higher (albeit this doesn't bother me as much as it bothers some others and given my last car was a lowered version of an already low car I actually quite appreciate the extra clearance)
What I would absolutely recommend is adaptive suspension, which my car has. Completely transforms the ride and makes it extremely comfortable on UK roads even on 19" wheels
With the sort of driving you are doing I'd go with a 440i, the B58 engine is a gem and can be economical on a run.
I ran a 2017 440i GC with mppsk for 2 years and the best mpg I got was 45mpg in eco mode on a steady motorway run! Who needs diesel with that mpg!
Find one with an mppsk (pre July 2018) and you''ll have something close to an M car (think E46 M3)
I ran a 2017 440i GC with mppsk for 2 years and the best mpg I got was 45mpg in eco mode on a steady motorway run! Who needs diesel with that mpg!
Find one with an mppsk (pre July 2018) and you''ll have something close to an M car (think E46 M3)
JRFrench said:
I’ve managed 550 miles to a tank (44/45mpg?) from my 440i on a long motorway run, don’t think I was even in eco pro for half of that either. Town driving you won’t be seeing more than 25-30mpg.
The B58 engine really is a brilliant all rounder
I've not managed more than 440 out of my 435d so that is good going!The B58 engine really is a brilliant all rounder
I've owned a 67' 440i GC with Mppsk for 3.5 yrs and still enjoying it and that's saying something as previous cars have tended not to last more than 18 months!
Economy wise I use mine regularly for local short trips, the occasional weekend blast and some longer distance travel. I probably as an average do 300 miles to a tank but as has been mentioned if you take it easy and especially on a motorway run they are impressively economical. 400 miles or so is definitely achievable.
Road performance wise it's plenty sufficient for me. Dynamically not an m4 but straight line performance isn't far off with the Mppsk (I say that having done a number of road trips with a friend with an m4CS and whilst from a standstill his was quicker the performance from a rolling start was fairly similar up to "motorway" speeds. He now has a 718 gt4 and similarly isn't much in a straight line but obviously I'm not going to try and claim those cars are otherwise comparable, especially through the corners!
With that said the 440i GC is perfect for me. I like the way it looks and has decent enough performance for what I need but dialed down enough for daily duties and commuting / longer trips and as a family car too. Running costs it's been fine, standard servicing and few sets of tyres is all I've had to cover.
Options wise mine has the digital cockpit which adds a more modern premium feel so if you can find a car with it I'd highly recommend. HK also a must and things like reverse cam.
My brother had a 435d f32 years ago and recall he commented how fuel economy wasn't brilliant. I don't have personal experience of it but on the whole with fuel costs as they are and use case I'd say 440i fits the bill and is economical enough when you need it to be.
Economy wise I use mine regularly for local short trips, the occasional weekend blast and some longer distance travel. I probably as an average do 300 miles to a tank but as has been mentioned if you take it easy and especially on a motorway run they are impressively economical. 400 miles or so is definitely achievable.
Road performance wise it's plenty sufficient for me. Dynamically not an m4 but straight line performance isn't far off with the Mppsk (I say that having done a number of road trips with a friend with an m4CS and whilst from a standstill his was quicker the performance from a rolling start was fairly similar up to "motorway" speeds. He now has a 718 gt4 and similarly isn't much in a straight line but obviously I'm not going to try and claim those cars are otherwise comparable, especially through the corners!
With that said the 440i GC is perfect for me. I like the way it looks and has decent enough performance for what I need but dialed down enough for daily duties and commuting / longer trips and as a family car too. Running costs it's been fine, standard servicing and few sets of tyres is all I've had to cover.
Options wise mine has the digital cockpit which adds a more modern premium feel so if you can find a car with it I'd highly recommend. HK also a must and things like reverse cam.
My brother had a 435d f32 years ago and recall he commented how fuel economy wasn't brilliant. I don't have personal experience of it but on the whole with fuel costs as they are and use case I'd say 440i fits the bill and is economical enough when you need it to be.
Edited by MrCD on Friday 2nd December 20:47
MrCD said:
I've owned a 67' 440i GC with Mppsk for 3.5 yrs and still enjoying it and that's saying something as previous cars have tended not to last more than 18 months!
Economy wise I use mine regularly for local short trips, the occasional weekend blast and some longer distance travel. I probably as an average do 300 miles to a tank but as has been mentioned if you take it easy and especially on a motorway run they are impressively economical. 400 miles or so is definitely achievable.
Road performance wise it's plenty sufficient for me. Dynamically not an m4 but straight line performance isn't far off with the Mppsk (I say that having done a number of road trips with a friend with an m4CS and whilst from a standstill his was quicker the performance from a rolling start was fairly similar up to "motorway" speeds. He now has a 718 gt4 and similarly isn't much in a straight line but obviously I'm not going to try and claim those cars are otherwise comparable, especially through the corners!
With that said the 440i GC is perfect for me. I like the way it looks and has decent enough performance for what I need but dialed down enough for daily duties and commuting / longer trips and as a family car too. Running costs it's been fine, standard servicing and few sets of tyres is all I've had to cover.
Options wise mine has the digital cockpit which adds a more modern premium feel so if you can find a car with it I'd highly recommend. HK also a must and things like reverse cam.
My brother had a 435d f32 years ago and recall he commented how fuel economy wasn't brilliant. I don't have personal experience of it but on the whole with fuel costs as they are and use case I'd say 440i fits the bill and is economical enough when you need it to be.
And it’s when I read posts like that, that again I realise I’d be daft to sell mine (identical 67 440i with MPPSK). Economy wise I use mine regularly for local short trips, the occasional weekend blast and some longer distance travel. I probably as an average do 300 miles to a tank but as has been mentioned if you take it easy and especially on a motorway run they are impressively economical. 400 miles or so is definitely achievable.
Road performance wise it's plenty sufficient for me. Dynamically not an m4 but straight line performance isn't far off with the Mppsk (I say that having done a number of road trips with a friend with an m4CS and whilst from a standstill his was quicker the performance from a rolling start was fairly similar up to "motorway" speeds. He now has a 718 gt4 and similarly isn't much in a straight line but obviously I'm not going to try and claim those cars are otherwise comparable, especially through the corners!
With that said the 440i GC is perfect for me. I like the way it looks and has decent enough performance for what I need but dialed down enough for daily duties and commuting / longer trips and as a family car too. Running costs it's been fine, standard servicing and few sets of tyres is all I've had to cover.
Options wise mine has the digital cockpit which adds a more modern premium feel so if you can find a car with it I'd highly recommend. HK also a must and things like reverse cam.
My brother had a 435d f32 years ago and recall he commented how fuel economy wasn't brilliant. I don't have personal experience of it but on the whole with fuel costs as they are and use case I'd say 440i fits the bill and is economical enough when you need it to be.
Edited by MrCD on Friday 2nd December 20:47
The boot is a cavern and prob comparable to my wife’s X3. I usually get 330 miles per tank on mainly town driving, but have had closer to 500 on a drive from Calais to Disney paris with a full boot and at French autoroute speed limits (closer to 80mph).
Mine was built in a phase where I couldn’t spec HUD with the digital cockpit (??) so I just have the HUD and couldn’t live without it. The sunroof also allows plenty of light in.
I think this was the last £500 tax bill so am looking forward to cheaper car tax in the future!
Ps - I had a MP aero kit and 20” wheels fitted pretty much the day after I bought it, from Cotswold Cheltenham. It’s all OEM and not (too!) tacky IMHO and adds some individuality to it.
Ah yes the £500 tax bill. How I have longed for that
that to come to an end! I don't know about you but that caught me by surprise, I had the 140i prior and that was the usual £160ish a year so had just assumed 440i would be the same (forgetting about the £40k+ plus rule) then realising on collection day that it wasn't
not that it would have made any difference to my decision!
Yours sounds a nice spec. I'd have liked the Hud. I actually had the Mppsk fitted at Cotswold BMW (Cheltenham?). The first start up in their under ground car park...
Impressive dealership too with some nice metal on display!
that to come to an end! I don't know about you but that caught me by surprise, I had the 140i prior and that was the usual £160ish a year so had just assumed 440i would be the same (forgetting about the £40k+ plus rule) then realising on collection day that it wasn't
not that it would have made any difference to my decision!Yours sounds a nice spec. I'd have liked the Hud. I actually had the Mppsk fitted at Cotswold BMW (Cheltenham?). The first start up in their under ground car park...
Impressive dealership too with some nice metal on display!Edited by MrCD on Saturday 3rd December 08:15
I was always used to a £200ish bill so the difference was just part of the cost of a new / better car to be honest - it doesn’t compare well however to my mum’s £30 bill for her 10 y/o KA!!
Another tip although slightly late - my annual map update thing expires in November each year and every year I wait for the BMW Connected Drive 20% off Black Friday deals to purchase on an annual basis. I also purchase BMW extended warranty annually but it has been faultless so far in 5 years albeit I only do 5k/yr.
For a family do-it-all I really can’t complain and if I changed, I’d like to go back to a convertible at some point when my 3 y/o and 6 y/o can easily get in the back without issue and when I won’t need 4 doors.
I’ve seen reviews of the new 4GC and i4 m50i and the rear space looks to be quite constrained and I’m not a fan of the buck tooth look.
So no real reason to change and highly recommend the car.
Another tip although slightly late - my annual map update thing expires in November each year and every year I wait for the BMW Connected Drive 20% off Black Friday deals to purchase on an annual basis. I also purchase BMW extended warranty annually but it has been faultless so far in 5 years albeit I only do 5k/yr.
For a family do-it-all I really can’t complain and if I changed, I’d like to go back to a convertible at some point when my 3 y/o and 6 y/o can easily get in the back without issue and when I won’t need 4 doors.
I’ve seen reviews of the new 4GC and i4 m50i and the rear space looks to be quite constrained and I’m not a fan of the buck tooth look.
So no real reason to change and highly recommend the car.
The 440i is amazingly economical considering the performance on offer.
My car averages 30.3mpg from a pretty equal mix of city centre, B road & motorway with 50/50 use of Sport & Comfort. I never use Eco Pro or Stop/Start.
Below is the data for a non-stop return trip from Yorkshire to London in Friday afternoon/evening motorway rush hour traffic earlier this year.
My car averages 30.3mpg from a pretty equal mix of city centre, B road & motorway with 50/50 use of Sport & Comfort. I never use Eco Pro or Stop/Start.
Below is the data for a non-stop return trip from Yorkshire to London in Friday afternoon/evening motorway rush hour traffic earlier this year.
My F82 M4 is currently showing 29.4 mpg on the fuel computer, and I think that is really decent for the performance that it offers(especially in comparison to the E92 M3 I had). The B58 engine in the 440i does offer a fantastic performance/economy mix from what I've read for sure. The B58 engine has to be one of the best all round petrol engines out there, and I've never read a bad word said about it.
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