RE: BMW to turbocharge 1-Series?

RE: BMW to turbocharge 1-Series?

Wednesday 29th June 2005

BMW to turbocharge 1-Series?

135Ti looks set to get 330bhp powerplant


BMW's turbocharged 135Ti due in 2007
BMW's turbocharged 135Ti due in 2007
BMW is to build a turbocharged version of the 1-Series which could put an end to the speculation about whether there will be an M1. There won't be one.

The 135Ti, which Autocar's spy shots caught circulating at the Nürburgring, could pack as much as 330bhp from its 3-litre six-cylinder powerplant.

To make this happen, BMW will use a standard production engine, rather than borrow the M3's which would have punted the car's price into a prohibitively high bracket -- maybe £30,000-plus. The magnesium-block engine is new but is planned to sit inside the nose of the 3-Series and the X3 next year, so the cost will be spread over several models.

The new car will go head-to-head with the VW Golf R34's 260bhp, Ford Focus ST with 217 bhp and the Audi A3 3.2 V6 quattro's 250bhp. However, with the next M3 due to deliver 400bhp leaving plenty of horsepower space below it, there's some headroom for Munich's engine department to play with.

The BMW 135Ti has yet to get the production thumbs-up, but Autocar reckons it's a good bet. If that happens, expect to make your dash to the showrooms in 2007.

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r988

Original Poster:

7,495 posts

235 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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sort of a modern day 2002 Turbo, pity it doesnt look as good though :(.

Fat Audi 80

2,403 posts

257 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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Exactly, it will still be fugly...

TwistedBMW

63 posts

232 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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fat audi 80 said:
Exactly, it will still be fugly... ]


You know you love it really!!! it is so much better looking than the boring old 3 series!

xxplod

2,269 posts

250 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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330 BHP!!!

Sgt^Roc

512 posts

255 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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Bet its a fantastic drive, and sure to be flame proof but o-my-god its ugly

dinkel

27,119 posts

264 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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I give a hint

360stimo

701 posts

234 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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what the hell is the point ? am i missing something. Its a disgusting car to look at and supplying a market where people are on fairly strict budgets !

Ridiculous if you ask me !

eliot

11,697 posts

260 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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It could have a 1000bhp, and it would still be a bag of sh1te.

>> Edited by eliot on Wednesday 29th June 22:13

TwistedBMW

63 posts

232 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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eliote said:
It could have a 1000bhp, and it would still be a bag of sh1te.


Have you ever driven it or are you going on hear say?

polarbert

17,927 posts

237 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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TwistedBMW said:

eliote said:
It could have a 1000bhp, and it would still be a bag of sh1te.



Have you ever driven it or are you going on hear say?


I think he's going on the look of the damned thing!

Bill Carr

2,234 posts

240 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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Ooh, me like. With any luck, the depreciation will be catastrophic and it'll be a 3 year old bargain

agent006

12,058 posts

270 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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Trackday car in 10 years time.

zax

1,028 posts

269 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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They're a good drive, I imagine even more so with a power increase. Think of an M Coupe with four seats (although the back ones are a little small)

I'd have one ugly or not. Unfortunately it'll probably be about €15k above my price bracket

Stub

6,695 posts

245 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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I love the potential of this car. Who care's what it looks like when you're inside having a ball, chewing up 'exotica' in your mental shopping trolley.

Wonder what the brakes are upto though?

Here Brucie, "whistles" come on boy

maserati3200gt

1,576 posts

240 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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Will Probably be a fun car to drive but the styling is still horrendous.

Better cars our there for the price no doubt but I understand this statement can be levied at many cars on the market.

I still cannot understand why people have opted for a 1 series in the current form.
All it shows is the BMW Badge which still may be a deciding factor for people who want to own the badge and say they own a new BMW until they are asked what model !

>> Edited by maserati3200gt on Thursday 30th June 22:39

zaktoo

1,401 posts

246 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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TwistedBMW said:

eliote said:
It could have a 1000bhp, and it would still be a bag of sh1te.



Have you ever driven it or are you going on hear say?


Hehehe - you're like the anti-brucie

Ciao

Zak

Bill Carr

2,234 posts

240 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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maserati3200gt said:
Will Probably be a fun car to drive but the styling is still horrendous.


What's so horrendous about it? It's less controversial to look at than the 7,6,5,Z4,X3 et al. I can't understand why people slag the looks so much. Ok, it's not classically elegant or "pretty", but at least it's interesting and, I would argue, quite stylish. Arguably the only car that looks better than it in its sector is the Alfa 147, and even that's beginning to look slightly dated and cliched now.

... and breathe...

maserati3200gt

1,576 posts

240 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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Hi Bill
Fair Points I must agree but I cannot understand what BMW aim to achieve with this model.
When I see it on the road I cannot help but wonder what the person owns the car.

I am not a fan of the styling , in fact I hate it to be honest but I appreciate your comments.

The alfa's have so much more styling In my opinion but I cannot help but wonder that the only thing going for this car is the badge .
I wonder if it had a ford badge , would people buy it?
I think there is a Kudos behind the logic of the badge and the car but IMO the styling is poor. Sorry Bill But there are better second hand cars on the market and better cars brand new on the market.

Maybe with an accountants hat on I may be wrong as BMW may only have the true sales and profit figures but I for one feel the brand is diluted with this awful looking car.
Sorry to upset current owners but I dont mean to be rude just honest IMO.
The sme way that others may like ferrari's or hate them.

kind regards

htsd

263 posts

246 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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Another way to look at it without being so negative is to say that they want to offer BMW buyers a full range of options. For many people who drive mainly in the city a 1 series could be preferable to a 3. Its like Porsche and the Cayenne- the more products you have, the more you can sell, the more money you make.

Back on topic, I think that 330BHP in a 1 series would be brilliant. The current hot hatch range are starting to tilt some serious power at the front wheels and its just getting silly (Alfa 147 GTA). This car actually has the tyre smoke coming from the right place.

edc

9,299 posts

257 months

Friday 1st July 2005
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There is clearly a market for it. My folks have a 3 series and a small hatch and want to downsize to one car. They want something that will last 10 years no problems. They want a bit of snob value. They've had a Golf which basically leaves A Class, 1, A3. Merc is too old man for the old man and looks like a van.