Monday 17th June 2002
BMW M5
The ultimate pie-eater's car?
Discussion
Nah it's not a full 5 seater 
Having only ever been a passenger in one of these and barring a loto win thats all I'll ever be, a passenger
. I must say they are impressive machines that are a lot more than just a sporting saloon 
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Saying that my lasting impression is of some of the gizmo's, the best being the 'M' rev counter which indicates a variable maximum rpm by a light that works it's way around the outside of the bevel, only reaching full rpm when it's properly warmed up, as opposed to my " I've done 5 miles now, the temp has been at 90 for at least 5 mins I'll give it some", stonking but simple idea.
Harry
Having only ever been a passenger in one of these and barring a loto win thats all I'll ever be, a passenger
. I must say they are impressive machines that are a lot more than just a sporting saloon . Saying that my lasting impression is of some of the gizmo's, the best being the 'M' rev counter which indicates a variable maximum rpm by a light that works it's way around the outside of the bevel, only reaching full rpm when it's properly warmed up, as opposed to my " I've done 5 miles now, the temp has been at 90 for at least 5 mins I'll give it some", stonking but simple idea.
Harry
Rack and pinion is a row of teeth (the rack) horizontally mounted between the two wheels and a circle of teeth (the pinion) on the end of the steering column. When you turn the steering wheel the pinion rotates and the rack moves left or right accordingly. The rack is attached to the wheel hub offset from the pivot and therefore provides a torque on the wheels making them move. (All that is VERY simplified and probably full of innacuracies )
Not got a clue what the other sort is though.
) Not got a clue what the other sort is though.
quote:Neither I had, but I know a man who does:
Rack and pinion is a row of teeth (the rack) horizontally mounted between the two wheels and a circle of teeth (the pinion) on the end of the steering column. When you turn the steering wheel the pinion rotates and the rack moves left or right accordingly. The rack is attached to the wheel hub offset from the pivot and therefore provides a torque on the wheels making them move. (All that is VERY simplified and probably full of innacuracies
Not got a clue what the other sort is though.
www.howstuffworks.com/steering3.htm
MC
As an aside from the main thrust of this thread, be assured, limiters don't work in 5th on M's. It's a BMW thing (a man from BMW told me). Stay in 5th in either M3 or M5 and 175 mph+ is easy without noticeable dip in acceleration (been there, done it) - I have, however, never tried changing up to 6th. Probably a good idea methinks - any comments BMW? Dread to think what might happen at 175 mph if it suddenly decided to 'limit!'. Maybe they just don't fit a limiter (to save a few dm) and 6th would cruise on further. I'll try it sometime (If you never hear from me again - don't try it at home!)
(BTW - empty runways for the speed runs, of course)
Steve
>> Edited by getcarter on Monday 17th June 17:27
(BTW - empty runways for the speed runs, of course)
Steve
>> Edited by getcarter on Monday 17th June 17:27
quote:
OFFS, here we go again. A simple maths lesson:
M5: 5.3 to 60. 161mph max.
C2: 4.5 to 60. 180mph max.
Read Evo for a proper road test.
If the handbags are out lets extend the curriculum to a simple history lesson, some philosophy and perhaps english comprehension too.
M5's can be faster around a circuit than a C2. Despite your extensive research it has actually happened. Perhaps it could be something to do with the way the observed C2s were driven - somewhat slower than the M5 that passed them.
Hmmmmm EVO anorak 0-60 times might not help in this comparison since you usually only hit 0 on a circuit after you make a big error. In addition the EVO circuit comparisons I have seen were not the fast and flowing trio mentioned. The tighter circuits EVO seem to use will no doubt tend to favour the C2. Any C2 advantage appears to be less well defined on a more open track.
Oh and BTW without the speed limiter the current M5 does reach an indicated 175mph in sixth with a few revs to go, off road at an airfield of course.
I bought mine through 'an importer' but car from the continent....as indeed they all are. The only issue was it didn't have the cigarette lighter, which the importer kindly mailed me the following day.
Local BMW agent serviced it with no quibble. Other than that, it just uses a bit of Mobil1 now and again.
On comparison stakes, besides the obvious dimensions, I feel it's more usable than a 996, because of the much greater torque. It could do with the 996's brakes though.
Without doubt my "best car ever, ever"...though the new RS6 estate looks quite tasty.
Local BMW agent serviced it with no quibble. Other than that, it just uses a bit of Mobil1 now and again.
On comparison stakes, besides the obvious dimensions, I feel it's more usable than a 996, because of the much greater torque. It could do with the 996's brakes though.
Without doubt my "best car ever, ever"...though the new RS6 estate looks quite tasty.
quote:
OFFS, here we go again. A simple maths lesson:
M5: 5.3 to 60. 161mph max.
C2: 4.5 to 60. 180mph max.
Read Evo for a proper road test.
Having taken Roadrunner's kindly offered advice and consulted his research reference perhaps more relevant anorak stuff from EVO is
C2 239 bhp/ton and 273lb ft @ 4250rpm
M5 236 bhp/ton and 369lb ft @ 3800rpm
That might just favour the M5 in some circumstances.
Roadrunner's profile reveals details of the nicely spec'ed "GT3 wannabeee" C2 he has ordered. No doubt the motivation for his defence of the marque.
Let's hope he takes it on a track - where it deserves to be played with.
At the age of 45, I hold a licence to drive/ride motorcycle, car and all classes of HGV, I have done off roading with 4x4 and with 6x6 truck, my first car at the age of 17 was an opel record 1.9ltr 2 door coupe, progressing through various cars and bikes over the years, such as ford taunus 2.0ltr coupe, ford grananda 3.0ltr coupe, Chevvy Camaro 5.6ltr, Dodge Charger, Rover 3.5 SDi, Sierra XR4i, Sierra Cosworth, BMW 2.3i sport, etc etc, I now have a BMW 540i sport, I have to say i'm not loaded with dosh, all the cars were second hand, trading one for another, M5? If I had the wad of cash in my hand to buy any car I wanted, It would be the M5, stylish, family car with sports performance, I'm not a boy racer or amature or proffesional racer, on the streets where are you going to get to the top speed? the M5 turns heads, sure i'd take out the stereo system and fit a new custom built ICE system, I love my Reggae music loud and loads of base line, it's down to everyone's personal preference at the end of the day and the M5 is mine. Although I'm not sure about this brand new shape just out, they spoiled it with that, guess it will grow on me in time.
>> Edited by ReggaemanTruckin on Sunday 16th May 10:41
>> Edited by ReggaemanTruckin on Sunday 16th May 10:41
I don't think the M5 turns heads, infact I think its pretty much the opposite in my experience, with joe blog not affording it a second glance, probably because mine spends 90% of its time under 2" film of dirt & grim I suppose.
Most of the time its delivers the goods with a serious lick of speed, comfort, handling, noise etc. all wrapped up in a pretty much unbeatable package for a 4door family saloon, but sometimes you just yearn for that little bit extra, perhaps more bite to the brakes, moor feel to the steering, a tad more power, less dive into corners, less noise insulation or perhaps a HKS zaurt (or is that abit vulgar for a panzer) maybe more agility aka CSL diet program..
but those mods cost serious bucks and defeat the purpose of such a car in the first instance so perhaps an evo7 would have been the better option for the speed junkie inside, but those things are made from tin-foil & haven't got cupholders nor heated leather seats, so you cant have it both ways I suppose..
overlooking its appetite for rear (and rather expensive) tyres and a 12mpg average fuel consumption, I think its a pretty darn good all rounder, and the ability to act the complete thug blasting past wheeled proletarian sardine canned obstacles at warp speed singing 'i don't give a
, with the system up' one moment, then blend seamlessly into the crowd to the tune of ludwig van Beethoven feeling a wee bit more mature, self important & responsible the next, takes some beating..
im thinking about debadging it & a fixing a standard 530d'ish rear bumper to conceal bent down exhaust tips, completing the wolf in sheeps clothing picture.
Most of the time its delivers the goods with a serious lick of speed, comfort, handling, noise etc. all wrapped up in a pretty much unbeatable package for a 4door family saloon, but sometimes you just yearn for that little bit extra, perhaps more bite to the brakes, moor feel to the steering, a tad more power, less dive into corners, less noise insulation or perhaps a HKS zaurt (or is that abit vulgar for a panzer) maybe more agility aka CSL diet program..
but those mods cost serious bucks and defeat the purpose of such a car in the first instance so perhaps an evo7 would have been the better option for the speed junkie inside, but those things are made from tin-foil & haven't got cupholders nor heated leather seats, so you cant have it both ways I suppose..
overlooking its appetite for rear (and rather expensive) tyres and a 12mpg average fuel consumption, I think its a pretty darn good all rounder, and the ability to act the complete thug blasting past wheeled proletarian sardine canned obstacles at warp speed singing 'i don't give a
, with the system up' one moment, then blend seamlessly into the crowd to the tune of ludwig van Beethoven feeling a wee bit more mature, self important & responsible the next, takes some beating.. im thinking about debadging it & a fixing a standard 530d'ish rear bumper to conceal bent down exhaust tips, completing the wolf in sheeps clothing picture.
B19TOY said:
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OFFS, here we go again. A simple maths lesson:
M5: 5.3 to 60. 161mph max.
C2: 4.5 to 60. 180mph max.
Read Evo for a proper road test.
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Having taken Roadrunner's kindly offered advice and consulted his research reference perhaps more relevant anorak stuff from EVO is
C2 239 bhp/ton and 273lb ft @ 4250rpm
M5 236 bhp/ton and 369lb ft @ 3800rpm
That might just favour the M5 in some circumstances.
Roadrunner's profile reveals details of the nicely spec'ed "GT3 wannabeee" C2 he has ordered. No doubt the motivation for his defence of the marque.
Let's hope he takes it on a track - where it deserves to be played with.
Just to give you an idea of M5s pace I was reading an old autocar 0-00-0 and the M5 hit 60mph in 4.6secs, 100mph in 10.6 and was at a stop after a mere 15.7!
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