GTR Tyres (opinions)
Discussion
This is a bit of a cross-post from GTR forum to capture other owners' views.
My GTR currently has Dunlops on, and I have been quoted from £545 to 580 per tyre to replace from HPC's - presumably because they are the only ones selling them.
The alternative in the Run-Flat world is the Bridgestone RE070 tyre which is available in limited stock - and a set of 4 would cost around £1350 + fitting incl VAT.
My situation is that my car has half-worn Dunlops on the front, one 4k mile Dunlop on thenearside rear, and one 80% worn Dunlop on the other side. When I purchased the car the nearside rear had a nail in it and that tyre was replaced only because the other rear had 5mm+ left on it. Now, 4k miles further on the "unreplaced" rear is getting close to replacement.
On the non-RFT side, I can find PZero 100/101Y rated tyres in correct sizes for around £1050 + fitting. From other cars I have owned that had RFT's I have never heard that the non-RFT's are less good from a performance perspective and the ride is better. Some of these cars have been heavier than the GTR.
Dunlops cost £2250ish to replace all 4.
My question or dilemma is this. I can replace a single Dunlop for aorund £550 and postpone the problem for a year or so (providing I don't have a puncture of course!). I could replace all 4 with Bridgestone RFT's at a cost of £1400 odd all in or I could seriously consider a top non-RFT tyre (Pzero)for around £1100ish. The relative cost between Bridgestone and PZero is not really to much of a worry, but the following two points are clouding the decision:
1. At around £550 and £340 per tyre both RFT options will also be expensive to replace in the case of puncture, especially if you have a puncture at a time when the other tyre on the axle has less than 5mm left. You could even with Bridgeston option end up paying £7-800 when you get a puncture.
2. I drive occasionally for longer trips in Europe and Scandinavia. It would be a huge problem to find replacements of either RFT option in Europe and worse in Scandinavia. This then is also not just about cost, but being stranded for several days whilst replacements are shipped etc. The PZero's would be somewhere between no problem at all, and at worst perhaps not being available off the shelf everywhere. There are no HPC's in Scandinavia, so Dunlops are out of the question.
So as a summary, I simply refuse to pay £550 per tyre for the Dunlops so they are out of the question (unless I buy one last one). Between the other two the issues are balanced between cost, availability (security of supply across Europe and Scandinavia) and "maintenance" (in terms of punctures and so on).
I am not expecting anyone to decide for me in this particular instance, but would really appreciate hearing from people that use non-RFT's in terms of performance, cost, availability - and also in terms of carrying/using Tyreweld or similar (I hear there is a gel or something these days that don't make a mess).
Sorry for long post, hope to hear from someone!
My GTR currently has Dunlops on, and I have been quoted from £545 to 580 per tyre to replace from HPC's - presumably because they are the only ones selling them.
The alternative in the Run-Flat world is the Bridgestone RE070 tyre which is available in limited stock - and a set of 4 would cost around £1350 + fitting incl VAT.
My situation is that my car has half-worn Dunlops on the front, one 4k mile Dunlop on thenearside rear, and one 80% worn Dunlop on the other side. When I purchased the car the nearside rear had a nail in it and that tyre was replaced only because the other rear had 5mm+ left on it. Now, 4k miles further on the "unreplaced" rear is getting close to replacement.
On the non-RFT side, I can find PZero 100/101Y rated tyres in correct sizes for around £1050 + fitting. From other cars I have owned that had RFT's I have never heard that the non-RFT's are less good from a performance perspective and the ride is better. Some of these cars have been heavier than the GTR.
Dunlops cost £2250ish to replace all 4.
My question or dilemma is this. I can replace a single Dunlop for aorund £550 and postpone the problem for a year or so (providing I don't have a puncture of course!). I could replace all 4 with Bridgestone RFT's at a cost of £1400 odd all in or I could seriously consider a top non-RFT tyre (Pzero)for around £1100ish. The relative cost between Bridgestone and PZero is not really to much of a worry, but the following two points are clouding the decision:
1. At around £550 and £340 per tyre both RFT options will also be expensive to replace in the case of puncture, especially if you have a puncture at a time when the other tyre on the axle has less than 5mm left. You could even with Bridgeston option end up paying £7-800 when you get a puncture.
2. I drive occasionally for longer trips in Europe and Scandinavia. It would be a huge problem to find replacements of either RFT option in Europe and worse in Scandinavia. This then is also not just about cost, but being stranded for several days whilst replacements are shipped etc. The PZero's would be somewhere between no problem at all, and at worst perhaps not being available off the shelf everywhere. There are no HPC's in Scandinavia, so Dunlops are out of the question.
So as a summary, I simply refuse to pay £550 per tyre for the Dunlops so they are out of the question (unless I buy one last one). Between the other two the issues are balanced between cost, availability (security of supply across Europe and Scandinavia) and "maintenance" (in terms of punctures and so on).
I am not expecting anyone to decide for me in this particular instance, but would really appreciate hearing from people that use non-RFT's in terms of performance, cost, availability - and also in terms of carrying/using Tyreweld or similar (I hear there is a gel or something these days that don't make a mess).
Sorry for long post, hope to hear from someone!
Edited by christer on Thursday 7th October 11:37
Edited by christer on Thursday 7th October 11:38
Edited by christer on Thursday 7th October 11:39
They are meant to be main dealer only , so tyre stockists have trouble buying them
quote from their forum
"The Nissan GTR runflat tyres are now only available direct from the dealer, no outside company will be able to buy them..... I have four in stock and sell them for £550 all in each, the dealer sells them for £900 all in each angry.gif
I make a reasonable profit at £550 so the dealer in my opinion is taking the piss"
quote from their forum
"The Nissan GTR runflat tyres are now only available direct from the dealer, no outside company will be able to buy them..... I have four in stock and sell them for £550 all in each, the dealer sells them for £900 all in each angry.gif
I make a reasonable profit at £550 so the dealer in my opinion is taking the piss"
rhinochopig said:
Why do they need to be run-flats?
Oh, they don't (I suppose - I can carry tyre sealant instead) - I am asking for opinions from people who do not use RFT's because I would like to know what they are like. Non-RFT's have always been a huge improvement in every other car I have owned but I wanted some feedback specific to the GTR
The sizes are 255/40 and 285/35 and Pzero's seem to be the commonly available tyre in these sizes as far as I can see....christer said:
rhinochopig said:
Why do they need to be run-flats?
Oh, they don't (I suppose - I can carry tyre sealant instead) - I am asking for opinions from people who do not use RFT's because I would like to know what they are like. Non-RFT's have always been a huge improvement in every other car I have owned but I wanted some feedback specific to the GTRThe sizes are 255/40 and 285/35 and Pzero's seem to be the commonly available tyre in these sizes as far as I can see....Thanks - I am coming to that conclusion although the R888's seem to be good because they have very stiff sidewalls anyway. The other "issue" is that they are available in 285 front and 315 rear sizes so thats not exactly standard! The price of R488's seem to be around £200 north of Bridgestones, but £600 south of Dunlops.
I think on the issue of "security of supply" I am going to have to admit defeat - or go back to Porsches, Lambos, Astons - basically anything that uses standard tyres
Thanks for the comments!
I think on the issue of "security of supply" I am going to have to admit defeat - or go back to Porsches, Lambos, Astons - basically anything that uses standard tyres
Thanks for the comments!
christer said:
Thanks - I am coming to that conclusion although the R888's seem to be good because they have very stiff sidewalls anyway. The other "issue" is that they are available in 285 front and 315 rear sizes so thats not exactly standard! The price of R488's seem to be around £200 north of Bridgestones, but £600 south of Dunlops.
I think on the issue of "security of supply" I am going to have to admit defeat - or go back to Porsches, Lambos, Astons - basically anything that uses standard tyres
Thanks for the comments!
The problem with R888s is that they are not designed for general road use really. Absolutely fine for the summer months, but I want a tyre that can be used all year round. Take a look at this:I think on the issue of "security of supply" I am going to have to admit defeat - or go back to Porsches, Lambos, Astons - basically anything that uses standard tyres
Thanks for the comments!
http://marktg.toyotires.com/file/TireStorage.pdf
Christer, why don't you go for the MPSS (Michelin Pilot Super Sports) ?
I wouldn't pay the 2.2k the NHPC wanted for Dunlop's either, so fitted a set of MPSS and they've lasted 13k miles so far (original Dunlops lasted 8k) and still have 1mm of legal tread remaining that I can't seem to kill
I've decided though that I'm going back to RF's next, as although the MPSS handle great. are half the price and last far longer, the ride is a bit too 'normal' and comfortable for me, and I prefer a harsher ride. So I'll be trying the Bridgestone RF's which are far cheaper than the Dunlops, but a couple hundred more than the MPSS.
But if a harsh ride isn't important to you the MPSS are a no brainer IMO.
I carry a Dynaplug for the rarity of a puncture, and have tyre insurance and recovery for £50, but won't bother with that when I go back to RF's.
The only other plus side of RF's is the extremely remote chance of a high speed blow out, but the risk is extremely small.
I wouldn't pay the 2.2k the NHPC wanted for Dunlop's either, so fitted a set of MPSS and they've lasted 13k miles so far (original Dunlops lasted 8k) and still have 1mm of legal tread remaining that I can't seem to kill
I've decided though that I'm going back to RF's next, as although the MPSS handle great. are half the price and last far longer, the ride is a bit too 'normal' and comfortable for me, and I prefer a harsher ride. So I'll be trying the Bridgestone RF's which are far cheaper than the Dunlops, but a couple hundred more than the MPSS.
But if a harsh ride isn't important to you the MPSS are a no brainer IMO.
I carry a Dynaplug for the rarity of a puncture, and have tyre insurance and recovery for £50, but won't bother with that when I go back to RF's.
The only other plus side of RF's is the extremely remote chance of a high speed blow out, but the risk is extremely small.
Bloody hell and I thought £200 quid a corner was painful...
To the OP, remember that time when you were driving too fast, had to brake suddenly to avoid the gramps pulling out of the junction suddenly? Remember how you managed to grind to a halt 6 inches short of his Yaris? All down to the fact you were running the correct tyres?
Yeah, they might be a few hundred quid more but they could save you a lot more in the long term.
Patronising post over :-)
DT
To the OP, remember that time when you were driving too fast, had to brake suddenly to avoid the gramps pulling out of the junction suddenly? Remember how you managed to grind to a halt 6 inches short of his Yaris? All down to the fact you were running the correct tyres?
Yeah, they might be a few hundred quid more but they could save you a lot more in the long term.
Patronising post over :-)
DT
The non run flat choice would be MPSS (Michelin Pilot Super Sports). I now run 275/305 and noticed massive improvements in comfort and wet grip. I paid around £1300 fitting included for a set.
You can source OEM Dunlop from elsewhere but prices are about the same.
Head over to gtroc.co.uk for more in for.
You can source OEM Dunlop from elsewhere but prices are about the same.
Head over to gtroc.co.uk for more in for.
crazy about cars said:
The non run flat choice would be MPSS (Michelin Pilot Super Sports). I now run 275/305 and noticed massive improvements in comfort and wet grip. I paid around £1300 fitting included for a set.
You can source OEM Dunlop from elsewhere but prices are about the same.
Head over to gtroc.co.uk for more in for.
What pressures are you running for day to say use?You can source OEM Dunlop from elsewhere but prices are about the same.
Head over to gtroc.co.uk for more in for.
sumo69 said:
crazy about cars said:
The non run flat choice would be MPSS (Michelin Pilot Super Sports). I now run 275/305 and noticed massive improvements in comfort and wet grip. I paid around £1300 fitting included for a set.
You can source OEM Dunlop from elsewhere but prices are about the same.
Head over to gtroc.co.uk for more in for.
What pressures are you running for day to say use?You can source OEM Dunlop from elsewhere but prices are about the same.
Head over to gtroc.co.uk for more in for.
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