RE: Honda reveals new Civic Type R

RE: Honda reveals new Civic Type R

Thursday 14th September 2006

Honda reveals new Civic Type R

With two faster ones in the wings


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2007 Honda Civic Type R
2007 Honda Civic Type R

Honda's new Civic Type R goes on sale in March 2007 -- and it'll be joined by two more extreme examples, only one of which will be available here.

The new top-end Civic Type R is said to offer improved comfort levels, integrated styling and handling tuned for enhanced responsiveness and predictability -- there's no more power as the 197bhp engine is unchanged from the outgoing version.

However, the unit's been reworked to improve responsiveness using a new balancer shaft and drive-by-wire throttle control. VTEC variable valve timing and VTC variable inlet camshaft technology continue to underpin the engine structure, reckons Honda. It all means more useable torque, as the switch to high-lift, long duration valve timing (the cam change) now takes place at a lower 5,200rpm, and continues all the way to 8,000rpm. So that screaming, high rpm VTEC range is broader and more accessible.

To mark the entry to this power band, a new i-VTEC indicator just to the right of the digital speedometer is illuminated once the revs rise above 5,200rpm.

Maximum power is now reached at 8,000rpm -- previously it was 7,400rpm -- and the car is more responsive generally, reckons Honda, while improved aerodynamics ensure the new car cuts through the air more cleanly. Slightly lower gearing compensates for a small increase in kerb weight.

Acceleration figures are expected to be virtually identical to the 6.6-second 0-62mph time of the outgoing car – and the new car should match its top speed too, powering on to 146mph.

Chassis

The five-door Civic chassis forms the basis for all three-door models and the Type R. The Type R builds on the Type S suspension with its sharper dynamics, and like the Type-S, its rear track is 20mm wider than that of the five-door model, but otherwise damper, bush and spring characteristics are all unique to Type R.

Extra strengthening has been introduced into the floor cross member just ahead of the central fuel tank, around the upper front suspension mountings, while the lower cross member (just ahead of the engine bay) provides greater rigidity. The overall result is a more predictable chassis, with improved levels of responsiveness and stability. At the same time, the damper settings deliver enhanced ride comfort, so the Type R is easier to use in all conditions and on all surfaces.

Broad 225/40 ZR18 tyres provide added grip, while a 15mm reduction in ride height further reduces body roll. Firmer steering, a quicker ratio and stiffer steering box mountings all provide sharp responses to steering wheel input; the fuel tank’s central location beneath the cabin floor helps to lower the centre of gravity and reduces the body’s inertia moment. Seven-spoke 18-inch alloy wheels are fitted as standard and – helped by the car’s low ride height – these tuck neatly under the body-coloured arches.

Bodywork

The deep front spoiler incorporates a larger air intake to channel air to the induction system, as well as triangular foglamps. It sports a body-coloured tailgate rear spoiler, which follows the kick-up line from the rear quarter windows, and provides added down-force.

At the front, a black honeycomb mesh grille replaces the glass panel of other Civics, sporting the red ‘H’ badge. While more discreet than on the outgoing car, Type R logos feature throughout. Firstly, the front brake callipers wear the insignia, and stainless steel inserts on the door sills also carry the badge.

Interior

Inside, front seats are racing-style buckets with large black Alcantara bolsters and red stitching, red fabric seat cushions and backs. The seat bench in the back repeats the same colour combination.

The effective dual zone, two tier dash – common to other Civic models – also features in the latest Type R, but with red illuminated dials set off by gun-metal effect switch panels on either side of the central display. The driver grips a black, leather-covered steering wheel with red stitching and central ‘H’ logo, while the gear shift knob with aluminium-finish has a black boot with red stitching. A plaque engraved with the car’s unique serial number is placed just ahead of the gear lever.

Also available will be a fully-equipped GT version, with additional features such as cruise control, dual zone air conditioning, fog lights, automatic lights and wipers and curtain SRS bags. A voice-activated, state-of-the-art navigation system is offered as an option.

The Type R and Type S versions of Civic will be built exclusively alongside the 5-door range at the Honda of the UK Manufacturing Ltd (HUM) in Swindon.

The Civic Type R goes on sale in the UK in March 2007. Pricing has yet to be announced.

Two Type R beaters

However, the Type R is not the only fast Civic in town. Autocar reports that the Paris motor show will see a stripped-out lightweight version that's the same as the Type R but without some of the trim and noise-proofing.

Honda said it won't import this one but you will be able to get a more extreme, track-only version that's been developed in conjunction with race team JAS Motorsport. You can't drive it on the road, and Honda won't sell it: you'll have to talk directly to JAS.

Being track-only means it's likely to be more focused, with a roll-cage, harnesses, stiff suspension and few interior comforts. But it will be a hoot to hoon. More details when we get to Paris.

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Discussion

coopers

Original Poster:

4,533 posts

225 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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First comment from me, what’s happened to those wheels,its a real shame that Honda couldn’t carry them over from the concept model.

and tbh doesn’t look very exciting

fido

17,229 posts

261 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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same 197bhp at 600rpm higher - this doesn't make sense.

according to MSN Cars:-

However the ‘cam change’ to high lift, long duration valve timing now takes place 1,000rpm lower than before at 5,200rpm meaning the addictively punchy VTEC range is broader and more accessible than previously. Peak power is up by one horsepower to 201PS at the howling 8,000rpm rev limit.

this makes a bit more sense.

havoc

30,739 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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Posted this at same time as Cooper:-

havoc said:
article said:
Autocar reports that the Paris motor show will see a stripped-out lightweight version that's the same as the Type R but without some of the trim and noise-proofing.

So in other words, the Type-R isn't a Type-R, it's still a lardy hatchback just with a manic engine. But they'll do a proper Type-R afterwards, just not sell it over here! Don't you just LOVE marketing?!? rolleyes banghead

Bill Hicks said:
Anyone in Marketing? Kill yourselves now! ... There is no excuse for your existence.

fido

17,229 posts

261 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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2 type-Rs threads for two equally pointless type-Rs

ok, so they've reworked the engine [good] then added more weight [bad] and lowered the gearing, as if it weren't low enough already in the EP3.

yep, i think my car allowance is going elsewhere... if i wanted a namaby-pamby hatchback with soundproofing and automatic wipers then i'd get a lardy Golf.

jimbro1000

1,619 posts

290 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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All sounds like the car is just more marketing than substance.

The last CTR was a ver poor substitute for the ITR and it looks like the same again. Nice to know Honda think we are all idiots!

I think I will just wait and see what the next generation ITR is like when it finally arrives (not here - how predictable) and think about importing one. CTR is a definite non-starter as far as I'm concerned.

dannylt

1,906 posts

290 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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fido said:

same 197bhp at 600rpm higher - this doesn't make sense.

according to MSN Cars:-

However the ‘cam change’ to high lift, long duration valve timing now takes place 1,000rpm lower than before at 5,200rpm meaning the addictively punchy VTEC range is broader and more accessible than previously. Peak power is up by one horsepower to 201PS at the howling 8,000rpm rev limit.

this makes a bit more sense.
1 extra hp for 600rpm higher? Doesn't make sense to me! Now way you can notice 1hp, but you definitely notice 600rpm. Thought practically I guess the HP curve is so flat up there it makes no difference.

jon-

16,525 posts

222 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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I agree with above, why couldn't they carry across the concept alloys and colours. Looks so skinny in comparison, i'm deeply disappointed.

As a driver of the current CTR i can't imagine how they've lowered the gearing anymore, that's embarrassing.



Mr Whippy

29,594 posts

247 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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Oooohhh, look at all the pointless weight inside the car!

Still better off with a DC5 if you want a fast, modern, good looking, pure "drivers" Honda!

Dave

Fire99

9,844 posts

235 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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Mr Whippy said:
Oooohhh, look at all the pointless weight inside the car!

Still better off with a DC5 if you want a fast, modern, good looking, pure "drivers" Honda!

Dave


I'm no expert here.. whats a DC5??

I had the old Civic Type R for a month and i really enjoyed it.. Thought it was alot of fun.. To keep up with the game (VXR, Golf GTi, Focus ST etc) i would of expected no more weight than the old Type R but another 30 or 40 bhp..

Unless its super-light 200bhp is gonna be off the pace in my eyes and lowering the gearing to hide the lack of power is just gonna make it a pain in the arse on the motorway..

Switching off my cynical head i'll wait for the test drives before getting too much on my soap-box..

dinkel

27,136 posts

264 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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First drive, than rant . . . I'm off to the dealers.

davy9449

1,275 posts

225 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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Fire99 said:
Mr Whippy said:
Oooohhh, look at all the pointless weight inside the car!

Still better off with a DC5 if you want a fast, modern, good looking, pure "drivers" Honda!

Dave


I'm no expert here.. whats a DC5??

I had the old Civic Type R for a month and i really enjoyed it.. Thought it was alot of fun.. To keep up with the game (VXR, Golf GTi, Focus ST etc) i would of expected no more weight than the old Type R but another 30 or 40 bhp..

Unless its super-light 200bhp is gonna be off the pace in my eyes and lowering the gearing to hide the lack of power is just gonna make it a pain in the arse on the motorway..

Switching off my cynical head i'll wait for the test drives before getting too much on my soap-box..


Apparently Honda will jeopardise the car's effeciency and 'environmentally friendliness' if they increase the Hp any further. According to their MD anyway.

Anyone else not being able to open the pics to enlarge??

havoc

30,739 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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FFS, why didn't they use the 2.4 from the Accord Type-S?!?

Surely that wouldn't be tricky to get in the region of 100bhp/litre from?!?

Ali_T

3,379 posts

263 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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Very nice VTi, but why does it have Type R badges on it?

Mr Whippy

29,594 posts

247 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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davy9449 said:
Apparently Honda will jeopardise the car's effeciency and 'environmentally friendliness' if they increase the Hp any further.


Surely making a Type R does that already?

Wide tyres not energy savers, 2.0 high revving NA rather than low revving FI engine.

Already been jeopardised in respect to the above criteria, why not ruin it a bit more for the better

Dave

coopers

Original Poster:

4,533 posts

225 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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ok we gotta except the alloys arent coming with this car does anyone know of a manufactor who makes similar alooys??

I think they've let alot of poeple down, am i right in thinking that Honda want to target and market to the older generation and get a foothold in the school run market, not worrying about the guys who want a more focused car.... isnt the s2000 not being replaced after they finish production...

Ali_T

3,379 posts

263 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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havoc said:
FFS, why didn't they use the 2.4 from the Accord Type-S?!?

Surely that wouldn't be tricky to get in the region of 100bhp/litre from?!?


It's too long a stroke engine to get more revs out of without seriously high piston speeds. If it revved to 8000rpm, the piston speed would actually be higher than the S2000 at 9,000!!!

waynepixel

3,977 posts

230 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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O dear. If that is the final design for the Type R they really have missed the boat. The concept looked fantastic at the Motor Show Exel London. And what is with them wheels, It looks like they have come of a Caravan.

tony*t3

20,911 posts

253 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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I've been waiting on this since seeing the concept (which we were last told wasnt changing at all) but this looks nowhere near as cutting edge. Think i'll go an get me an ST instead, as the tuning potential seems much better.....

havoc

30,739 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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Ali_T said:
havoc said:
FFS, why didn't they use the 2.4 from the Accord Type-S?!?

Surely that wouldn't be tricky to get in the region of 100bhp/litre from?!?


It's too long a stroke engine to get more revs out of without seriously high piston speeds. If it revved to 8000rpm, the piston speed would actually be higher than the S2000 at 9,000!!!

Thanks.

So...what is the future for fast Honda's then? Not this thing, that's for sure. FI on a K20A perhaps? Or a completely new block...

eddy_hyde

153 posts

281 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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dannylt said:
1 extra hp for 600rpm higher? Doesn't make sense to me! Now way you can notice 1hp, but you definitely notice 600rpm. Thought practically I guess the HP curve is so flat up there it makes no difference.


peak power means nothing really, as power = torque x revs, what that indicates to me is
a) by lowering VTEC 800rpm they will have increased the mid range torque and power
b) if the peak power has moved up 600rpm, that means the torque stays in a little longer than the old engine, keeping it pulling harder longer

that says more time in VTEC and a more amnic pull to the redline, whcih sounds good to me

the GT extras are all OPTIONAL, as they were on the old one, which everyone moaned about ('why didnt it come with AC standard' ets), so the standard car doesnt come loaded you pay to add weight/comfort, whats the problem? what we need to know is how the base kerb weight compares, and since they arent shouting about it i am guessing not well enough.

What it needs in the UK is an LSD, its not a real type R without a Torsen, and never will be, bet the jap car has one