Honda Integra type R
Discussion
DC2 or DC5? www.itr-dc2.com/forum/ and www.itr-dc5.com/ are probably good places to start, as well as PH classifieds!
foggy said:
DC2 or DC5? www.itr-dc2.com/forum/ and www.itr-dc5.com/ are probably good places to start, as well as PH classifieds!
what he said
Neil_H said:
You could always have one brought over to your requirements, plenty of importers will do this for you.
Will be a JDM though - different front-end, probably not so much rustproofing, unknown service history, more expensive insurance. Upsides would be slightly more potent engine in the '98 (VERY sought after but rare outside Japan), and 16" rims with slightly altered suspension, again '98 version only.
havoc said:
Will be a JDM though
I had the DC5 in mind which are all JDM of course.
ApexJimi said:
Neil, what do you think of the DC5 in comparison to the S2K?
I'm loving the DC5 but it's a different animal to the S2000. Quick, edited comparison I posted elsewhere:
- The DC5 has more power/ torque low down in the rev range, it feels more flexible than the F20C in the S. At the top end though, the S feels like it has the edge. In terms of outright straight-line speed there's very little in it.
- The S is much better at getting the power down than the DC5 thanks to being RWD. The DC5 suffers from torque steer when being driven hard, the S is more refined in that respect. There is more feel to the steering in the DC5 though, it's heavy and feels like you're steering a go kart.
- Handling...tricky one this. I think I can take corners faster in the DC5, it has so much grip (provided the surface is smooth as it doesn't like bumps at all, the suspension is very firm being Jap spec). It just feels more solid and composed than the S. Whether this is my driving or the cars I don't know. The S is better at putting power down out of corners though.
Everyone who's been in the DC5 so far thinks it's more comfortable than the S, the seats are definitely better, I love them. It's more eye-catching too, probably because of the hoooge spoiler
and rarity.Neil_H said:
I'm loving the DC5 but it's a different animal to the S2000. Quick, edited comparison I posted elsewhere:
- The DC5 has more power/ torque low down in the rev range, it feels more flexible than the F20C in the S. At the top end though, the S feels like it has the edge. In terms of outright straight-line speed there's very little in it.
- The S is much better at getting the power down than the DC5 thanks to being RWD. The DC5 suffers from torque steer when being driven hard, the S is more refined in that respect. There is more feel to the steering in the DC5 though, it's heavy and feels like you're steering a go kart.
- Handling...tricky one this. I think I can take corners faster in the DC5, it has so much grip (provided the surface is smooth as it doesn't like bumps at all, the suspension is very firm being Jap spec). It just feels more solid and composed than the S. Whether this is my driving or the cars I don't know. The S is better at putting power down out of corners though.
Everyone who's been in the DC5 so far thinks it's more comfortable than the S, the seats are definitely better, I love them. It's more eye-catching too, probably because of the hoooge spoiler and rarity.
- The DC5 has more power/ torque low down in the rev range, it feels more flexible than the F20C in the S. At the top end though, the S feels like it has the edge. In terms of outright straight-line speed there's very little in it.
- The S is much better at getting the power down than the DC5 thanks to being RWD. The DC5 suffers from torque steer when being driven hard, the S is more refined in that respect. There is more feel to the steering in the DC5 though, it's heavy and feels like you're steering a go kart.
- Handling...tricky one this. I think I can take corners faster in the DC5, it has so much grip (provided the surface is smooth as it doesn't like bumps at all, the suspension is very firm being Jap spec). It just feels more solid and composed than the S. Whether this is my driving or the cars I don't know. The S is better at putting power down out of corners though.
Everyone who's been in the DC5 so far thinks it's more comfortable than the S, the seats are definitely better, I love them. It's more eye-catching too, probably because of the hoooge spoiler
and rarity.Drove a DC5 before getting the S2000, and I'd agree with most of that.
Few more thoughts:-
DC5 suspension doesn't inspire confidence on a bumpy B-road, neither does the torque steer. DC2 FAR better for UK roads in that regard, and S2000 also clearly better. But on track/smooth tarmac, as Neil says, the DC5's grip is monumental.
S2000 steering feel very geometry-dependent - I've dropped the castor down to the minimum and it's not so bad now, while the DC5 I drove felt weighty but artificial, not enough info coming through. Again DC2 better than both, by a country mile.
Looks - all good, all very subjective.
Handling - DC2 absolutely foolproof, virtually any roads, any conditions, yet still very involving and rewarding for the experienced driver...I was still impressed by it after 3.5 years and 50k miles. Very tail-led for a fwd car.
DC5 more about the front-end, keep it settled and it is very pointy (understand Neil's 'go-kart' comment) and probably the quickest for an average driver on the right road. But need to be smooth on anything other than perfect tarmac, otherwise you'll end up fighting it.
S2000 needs the most respect and the most 'driving', but get to know it and on a typical UK road you can leave the two Integras behind...you may need big balls to do so, as it's not as benign at the limits as the two fwd cars (although with the right geo it isn't as snappy as it's rep).
All 3 have amazing brakes, superb gearboxes, brilliant engines, and a very nice sound for a 4-pot. K20A IS the easiest engine to use, but also has the lowest rev-limit and is probably the easiest to drop out of VTEC.
FWIW, I'd have a DC2 first, an S2000 second, and a DC5 last. But if someone told me I could only ever have a DC5, I wouldn't say no. And it is the rarest of the three, with the motorsport cachet to boot.
havoc said:
DC5 suspension doesn't inspire confidence on a bumpy B-road, neither does the torque steer.
Yep definitely agree with that. There's a rough b-road near my house that I drive down everyday - flooring the car on there requires extreme care as the car just darts left-to-right due to the bumps/ torque steer/ LSD all fighting with each other! By contrast there's some newly built roads with nice big roundabouts that the car just glides round effortlessly...it really prefers new roads.
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