Gto MR vs R33 GTR
Discussion
shadowninja said:
how light/heavy is the MR then?
Early models were fairly heavy up to about 1710kg for the top spec 3000GT/GTO twin turbo models.
In 1995, which I think is when the first MR was introduced, they got it's weight shaved down to as little as 1650kg, though it gained about 20-30kg for the subsequent years of the MR
Front engine twin turbo GTOs still hovered around 17100kg at the same time, though they eventually got it down to 1680kg by later years, depending on options and so on.
A fully specced Skyline GT-R R33 could be as much as 1600kg I suppose, but most likely a bit a less, usually they are circa 1540-1550kg.
The real story is in the torque figures, the slightly lazy 3.0L V6 TT vs the highly strung 2.6L I6 TT.
'95 GTO MR torque 426Nm @ 2500rpm
'95 GT-R torque 367Nm @ 4400rpm
Thats what makes up the difference
lest we forget that the R33 GTR was restricted to 0.6 bar of boost in japan, removal of a little yellow fun filter gives 1 bar.
GTO's are absolutely horrific in reality compared to R33 GTR's from what i've found. as for real life figures, i've seen many an SX murder modded GTO's at santa pod. They're generally crud to tune, and the engine and gearing are far more suited to lazy drives down the motorway than sports cars.
great for motorway driving though!
and for what it's worth my skyline which is running approximately 440bhp murders my pal phil's 460 odd bhp proven GTO in pretty much all disciplines, acceleration, rolling starts and launches.
still both great cars though
GTO's are absolutely horrific in reality compared to R33 GTR's from what i've found. as for real life figures, i've seen many an SX murder modded GTO's at santa pod. They're generally crud to tune, and the engine and gearing are far more suited to lazy drives down the motorway than sports cars.
great for motorway driving though!
and for what it's worth my skyline which is running approximately 440bhp murders my pal phil's 460 odd bhp proven GTO in pretty much all disciplines, acceleration, rolling starts and launches.
still both great cars though
From what I have heard and seen, they can be tuned very well, but not many have done this over here (costs being prohibitive and also lack of tuners/owners who are happy/capable to take on a project which no-one has done in the UK). The 3.0V6 is capable of producing serious horsepower and torque without any major block/head work. Thing is though a car that weighs in at 1700kg needs serious bhp! That's nearly a Caterham 7 more than an RX7!
rotarypower said:
Thing is though a car that weighs in at 1700kg needs serious bhp! That's nearly a Caterham 7 more than an RX7!
You'd need serious ponies in something that heavy and it'd blow chunks on twisties. To compare it to my FD (for example) it'd need something like 550-600bhp to beat it to 60. Round the corners would be comical.
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