TVR versus EVO / Skyline.................?
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Gazboy said:
Unggghnnn!
Not that argument again, every coupla months someone does the 'I love my TVaRse & anything from Japan is fast but soul-less' thread. 6-pages too!
Why can't people appreciate each car for it's own merits...
That's his point Pods.
Sorry - should have made it clearer - I was agreeing with him!
That is the one topic that really boils my friggin head. if a car is crap at what iut does, falls apart, and is generally unreliable, it is all fluffy, characterful, and sits on your couch watching TV with you, all because it has soul. The car that is well engineered, reliable, fast, handles, etc, is souless... I can see that soul has its obvious disadvantages then!
give me a souless jap beast anyday.
When i had my na MR2, I was working abroad for long periods of time, and was only home for say 5 months of the year, and managed to put 30,000 miles on the fecker! You can bet most of that was just driving in nice places for the hell of it, not just going to the shops.
give me a souless jap beast anyday.
When i had my na MR2, I was working abroad for long periods of time, and was only home for say 5 months of the year, and managed to put 30,000 miles on the fecker! You can bet most of that was just driving in nice places for the hell of it, not just going to the shops.
Gazboy said:
Ah I see!
Sticking with stereotypes, I'm just off to walk my toddler killing Pit Bull....
Take care !
Avoid egg shaped heads
All good- met a Labrador and they had a tug of war with it's rope toy.
Andy. TVR's are like BMW's- the badge is everything. If it had a Corvette badge or was built in France with an engine from a Swedish SUV and everything else from parts bins it'd never sell here:
Exactly. Had your supra had an Aston badge on it, or the MR2 had lotus on it they would be full of soul! The think the only cars to have true Seoul in the are Korean!
Soul is more connected with some sort of badge snobbery more than anything else. It's a valid excuse to buy a shitter!
>> Edited by Andy Mac on Saturday 8th April 00:33
Andy Mac said:
Ah I see!
Sticking with stereotypes, I'm just off to walk my toddler killing Pit Bull....
Take care !
Avoid egg shaped heads
All good- met a Labrador and they had a tug of war with it's rope toy.
Andy. TVR's are like BMW's- the badge is everything. If it had a Corvette badge or was built in France with an engine from a Swedish SUV and everything else from parts bins it'd never sell here:
Exactly. Had your supra had an Aston badge on it, or the MR2 had lotus on it they would be full of soul! The think the only cars to have true Seoul in the are Korean!
Soul is more connected with some sort of badge snobbery more than anything else. It's a valid excuse to buy a shitter!
>> Edited by Andy Mac on Saturday 8th April 00:33
Why can't people appreciate each car for it's own merits...
UncleDave said:
Why can't people appreciate each car for it's own merits...
And that is the point Uncle Dave. When cars are talked about, they either have soul, (expensive exotica, or bygone classics), or no-soul, (German/Japanese cars). Now, why is this. The thing that seems to seperate them is reliablity, and build quality. People who talk about soul tend to have cars with slightly dodgy build quality, and reliability, and flaws. Cars without soul tend to be well engineered, do their jobs very well, are fast, handle well, and so on, but because they are neither expensive, nor have that 'badge' to go with it, get deemed souless. I am all for each car having it's merit, and that is what we are on about. Each car must be judged on it's ability to do what it is designed to do, and how it makes the driver feel. I LOVED my MR2T. I did LOTS of random miles just driving around Snowdonia, or off into the lake district. loved it, yet some say it is jap-crap and souless? To them maybe, but to myself, it was the dogs danglies, and I felt fantastic behind the wheel. It all boils down to perception, and although some may not appreciate a car, it certainly does not make it souless.
Andy Mac said:
And that is the point Uncle Dave. When cars are talked about, they either have soul, (expensive exotica, or bygone classics), or no-soul, (German/Japanese cars). Now, why is this. The thing that seems to seperate them is reliablity, and build quality. People who talk about soul tend to have cars with slightly dodgy build quality, and reliability, and flaws. Cars without soul tend to be well engineered, do their jobs very well, are fast, handle well, and so on, but because they are neither expensive, nor have that 'badge' to go with it, get deemed souless. I am all for each car having it's merit, and that is what we are on about. Each car must be judged on it's ability to do what it is designed to do, and how it makes the driver feel. I LOVED my MR2T. I did LOTS of random miles just driving around Snowdonia, or off into the lake district. loved it, yet some say it is jap-crap and souless? To them maybe, but to myself, it was the dogs danglies, and I felt fantastic behind the wheel. It all boils down to perception, and although some may not appreciate a car, it certainly does not make it souless.
Exxxxactly! Well put AndyMac, couldn't have put it better if I tried. Gazboy said:
Toasted starter motor is 'character' apparently.
So, it turbo lag a flaw or character?
Interesting isn't it? That T-lag isn't a problem exclusive to Japanese cars. Or are they just 'dialing in' plenty of lag to give the impression of character
tuttle said:
[quote=Andy Mac] And that is the point Uncle Dave. When cars are talked about, they either have soul, (expensive exotica, or bygone classics), or no-soul, (German/Japanese cars). Now, why is this. The thing that seems to seperate them is reliablity, and build quality. People who talk about soul tend to have cars with slightly dodgy build quality, and reliability, and flaws. Cars without soul tend to be well engineered, do their jobs very well, are fast, handle well, and so on, but because they are neither expensive, nor have that 'badge' to go with it, get deemed souless. I am all for each car having it's merit, and that is what we are on about. Each car must be judged on it's ability to do what it is designed to do, and how it makes the driver feel. I LOVED my MR2T. I did LOTS of random miles just driving around Snowdonia, or off into the lake district. loved it, yet some say it is jap-crap and souless? To them maybe, but to myself, it was the dogs danglies, and I felt fantastic behind the wheel. It all boils down to perception, and although some may not appreciate a car, it certainly does not make it souless.
IMHO the reasons are just down the the styling, and the fact that they are more of a 'production line' car.. The performance can never be faulted for an Evo for example, but surely you can see the meaning of 'soul'?
Everyone has their own opinion on the cars they like, it would be crap otherwise, it's just the appearance of the Jap cars that put some people off, I have never doubted their performance or referred to them as shitters
It's just other cars would appeal to me and others a lot more - I cannot really explain it, but I know exactly what I mean! Might have some relation to TVR flying the British flag, too.
UncleDave said:
[quote=Andy Mac] And that is the point Uncle Dave. When cars are talked about, they either have soul, (expensive exotica, or bygone classics), or no-soul, (German/Japanese cars). Now, why is this. The thing that seems to seperate them is reliablity, and build quality. People who talk about soul tend to have cars with slightly dodgy build quality, and reliability, and flaws. Cars without soul tend to be well engineered, do their jobs very well, are fast, handle well, and so on, but because they are neither expensive, nor have that 'badge' to go with it, get deemed souless. I am all for each car having it's merit, and that is what we are on about. Each car must be judged on it's ability to do what it is designed to do, and how it makes the driver feel. I LOVED my MR2T. I did LOTS of random miles just driving around Snowdonia, or off into the lake district. loved it, yet some say it is jap-crap and souless? To them maybe, but to myself, it was the dogs danglies, and I felt fantastic behind the wheel. It all boils down to perception, and although some may not appreciate a car, it certainly does not make it souless.
IMHO the reasons are just down the the styling, and the fact that they are more of a 'production line' car.. The performance can never be faulted for an Evo for example, but surely you can see the meaning of 'soul'?
Everyone has their own opinion on the cars they like, it would be crap otherwise, it's just the appearance of the Jap cars that put some people off, I have never doubted their performance or referred to them as shitters
Might have some relation to TVR flying the British flag, too.
In the same way Honda fly the britsh flag? Foreign owned company that build cars in the UK? Or Nissan?
TVR make cars that are fun despite being badly made, under performing, time bombs, if you dare to make a car that is as much fun, just as fast and better handling but well made and reliable too then it has no soul?
m12_nathan said:
TVR make cars that are fun despite being badly made, under performing, time bombs, if you dare to make a car that is as much fun, just as fast and better handling but well made and reliable too then it has no soul?
TVR... It's a russina company isn't it? And Lotus is owned by Proton...
Thats exactly the point, and thank christ someone who is non-jap car orienteered can see it. People who like TVR's like TVR's. People who like jap cars, like Jap cars. Sould is merely the perception of the driver. i happen to think every car has a soul, it just needs a loving owner to see it.
>> Edited by Andy Mac on Saturday 8th April 14:39
Gazboy said:
People who like TVR's like TVR's. People who like jap cars, like Jap cars.
I like both. I just don't like TVR's enough to buy one though.
Am also somewhere near this. To me a TVR Tuscan is one of the most viscerally sexy sports car I've ever seen. Alas I would only own one if I had enough do$h to have as a 2nd or 3rd even toy type thing
>> Edited by tuttle on Saturday 8th April 20:55
Gazboy said:
People who like TVR's like TVR's. People who like jap cars, like Jap cars.
I like both. I just don't like TVR's enough to buy one though.
Strangely reading gorvid's mamoth thread in GG in all fairness I think the best car for him would be a Japanese car.
If I hadn't bought a TVR to start with then I probably wouldn't buy one. I would be on a Liner by now. But now I have one I can't seem to bring myself to let it go. So I'll have to compromise and go for both
. Although the price of petrol is killing my genius idea of a 200SX and a Griff. I reckon it will probably be a Suzuki Cappuccino!! I voted for the Skyline
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