S14a or R33 GTS-T
Discussion
I'm hoping to get my hands on one of the above cars a few years down the line and I was wondering which of the two you'd go for? Obviously the Skyline would be more expensive to run but both are a similar price to buy and respond equally well to mods. The light weight, purity and compactness of the S14 appeals while the drama and excitement of the RB25 appeals in the Skyline, plus the presence they have on the road.
Where do you all think the values of these two cars will go say in the next 5 years? Are they rising fast or steadily?
Also, do you have any other suggestions for similar cars around the same money? They have to be reasonably reliable, have four seats, must be RWD too.
Thanks!
Where do you all think the values of these two cars will go say in the next 5 years? Are they rising fast or steadily?
Also, do you have any other suggestions for similar cars around the same money? They have to be reasonably reliable, have four seats, must be RWD too.
Thanks!
I don't think anyone can predict the prices, if they can, please PM next weeks lottery numbers. Both have pro's for their prices rising in the next few years;
S14's are getting rarer because people crash them as they drift them in places they shouldn't, also they are a cheap way into the JDM world so alot of them get snapped up for that.
GTS-T's are in the same boat, lock out the HICAS and you can go drifting really easily, also you've got to factor in the 25 year rule in the USA as they didn't get the R33. R32 GTR prices have doubled in the last 12months as some of the early ones have hit the 25 years old mark.
My money is on a GTST going higher due to the name, but as per my opening sentence I wouldn't be surprised to see S14's go up too. Also I have a GTST so I know they are totally awesome in every way
Don't think that GTST's are that expensive to run, mine cost me £650 to do tyres (Hancooks so mid range)/tax/fluids/plugs last year and that wasn't me doing the service myself and it returns a respectible 23.7mpg (great given the performance). Mine however is standard so really restricted breathing on it :P
If you want things that will stay cheap I imagine RX7's won't go crazy as ppl get scared with how to look after them, 300ZX's are generally unloved and DC2's are a good start also. Don't forget some modern-er ones are also good to have, 350Z's are really cheap and DC5's are at one level price wise.
As with all performance orientated JDM cars of this era you will not be disappointed in what you choose, I wasn't with mine
S14's are getting rarer because people crash them as they drift them in places they shouldn't, also they are a cheap way into the JDM world so alot of them get snapped up for that.
GTS-T's are in the same boat, lock out the HICAS and you can go drifting really easily, also you've got to factor in the 25 year rule in the USA as they didn't get the R33. R32 GTR prices have doubled in the last 12months as some of the early ones have hit the 25 years old mark.
My money is on a GTST going higher due to the name, but as per my opening sentence I wouldn't be surprised to see S14's go up too. Also I have a GTST so I know they are totally awesome in every way
Don't think that GTST's are that expensive to run, mine cost me £650 to do tyres (Hancooks so mid range)/tax/fluids/plugs last year and that wasn't me doing the service myself and it returns a respectible 23.7mpg (great given the performance). Mine however is standard so really restricted breathing on it :P
If you want things that will stay cheap I imagine RX7's won't go crazy as ppl get scared with how to look after them, 300ZX's are generally unloved and DC2's are a good start also. Don't forget some modern-er ones are also good to have, 350Z's are really cheap and DC5's are at one level price wise.
As with all performance orientated JDM cars of this era you will not be disappointed in what you choose, I wasn't with mine
TommoAE86 said:
I don't think anyone can predict the prices, if they can, please PM next weeks lottery numbers. Both have pro's for their prices rising in the next few years;
S14's are getting rarer because people crash them as they drift them in places they shouldn't, also they are a cheap way into the JDM world so alot of them get snapped up for that.
GTS-T's are in the same boat, lock out the HICAS and you can go drifting really easily, also you've got to factor in the 25 year rule in the USA as they didn't get the R33. R32 GTR prices have doubled in the last 12months as some of the early ones have hit the 25 years old mark.
My money is on a GTST going higher due to the name, but as per my opening sentence I wouldn't be surprised to see S14's go up too. Also I have a GTST so I know they are totally awesome in every way
Don't think that GTST's are that expensive to run, mine cost me £650 to do tyres (Hancooks so mid range)/tax/fluids/plugs last year and that wasn't me doing the service myself and it returns a respectible 23.7mpg (great given the performance). Mine however is standard so really restricted breathing on it :P
If you want things that will stay cheap I imagine RX7's won't go crazy as ppl get scared with how to look after them, 300ZX's are generally unloved and DC2's are a good start also. Don't forget some modern-er ones are also good to have, 350Z's are really cheap and DC5's are at one level price wise.
As with all performance orientated JDM cars of this era you will not be disappointed in what you choose, I wasn't with mine
Thanks for that, very helpful info. I agree with what you're saying about the values, I did think about the 25 year rule but I didn't know it had such a huge effect! I'm hoping that while the prices of GTRs ought to rise when they're eligible for import the GTS-Ts will be less in demand so prices shouldn't drastically increase... fingers crossed. I can't see them doubling in price like the GTRs can you? S14's are getting rarer because people crash them as they drift them in places they shouldn't, also they are a cheap way into the JDM world so alot of them get snapped up for that.
GTS-T's are in the same boat, lock out the HICAS and you can go drifting really easily, also you've got to factor in the 25 year rule in the USA as they didn't get the R33. R32 GTR prices have doubled in the last 12months as some of the early ones have hit the 25 years old mark.
My money is on a GTST going higher due to the name, but as per my opening sentence I wouldn't be surprised to see S14's go up too. Also I have a GTST so I know they are totally awesome in every way
Don't think that GTST's are that expensive to run, mine cost me £650 to do tyres (Hancooks so mid range)/tax/fluids/plugs last year and that wasn't me doing the service myself and it returns a respectible 23.7mpg (great given the performance). Mine however is standard so really restricted breathing on it :P
If you want things that will stay cheap I imagine RX7's won't go crazy as ppl get scared with how to look after them, 300ZX's are generally unloved and DC2's are a good start also. Don't forget some modern-er ones are also good to have, 350Z's are really cheap and DC5's are at one level price wise.
As with all performance orientated JDM cars of this era you will not be disappointed in what you choose, I wasn't with mine
That's reassuring what you say about the running costs, although I will look for one that's already had most of the supporting mods (like suspension, brakes etc) done and with hopefully a few nice engine upgrades rather than going for a standard one. I'm also not too fussy about the condition of the bodywork as I've got a classic Mini now that's rust free (a rare breed!) and I'm too afraid to drive it all year round. I want a car that I can have fun with that's not too immaculate. As long as the chassis and drivetrain are in good shape, that's the main thing for me. I do plan to keep the Mini though but I don't know whether or not I'll even be able to afford to run two cars yet!
I wouldn't be surprised if GTST's go up too because while the drift scene is pathetic over here in the USA and Japan it's massive. What you might possibly find though is that if someone doesn't want to export their GTST values here in the UK will be suppressed abit.
You wouldn't like my GTST, it's an early 93 and is completely standard haha
You wouldn't like my GTST, it's an early 93 and is completely standard haha
Edited by TommoAE86 on Sunday 17th January 21:07
TommoAE86 said:
You wouldn't like my GTST, it's an early 93 and is completely standard haha
Haha trust me I would, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a standard one. They're great cars out of the box in my opinion! Don't suppose you have a picture do you, would love to see it Also do you know what the main differences are between the spec 1 and spec 2 GTS-Ts? Which one is the more desirable? Personally I would be happy with either, I like the styling on both.
Haha no probs, this is my standard one, the only things not standard is the foglight, an amp and the head unit/speakers (however they are from the 1990's so "fit" with the look ) Mine is a very early spec 1, I imported it through Torque GT (who were excellent) and it was a grade 4 (how to import explained here: http://www.skyline-owners-club.com/forums/showthre...) with just under 50k miles on it!
(pics are from various days)
The differences between spec 1's & 2's are relatively small:
Exterior;
New bonnet/bumper/foglight at the front, different spoiler (spec's 2's is the more pronounced)
Inside it's just abit more up-to-date for the time, so new steering wheel, some switch gear and the dash lights/surround is altered.
Under the bonnet
-Turbine Inducer (Air Intake) wheels, Spec 2 is Nylon Click for Picture Spec 1 is Steel Click for Picture
Please Note: All R33 GTST Exducer (Exhaust side) Wheels are ceramic.
-Cam shafts are different and are not inter-changable between engine specs.
-ECU is diffently mapped - so i'm led to believe, but with different turbo spool times and different cams then i guess it would of been.
-Spec 2 have different clutch setups, but are basically the same.
_Spec 1 engine has an coil / spark ignitor unit located on top of the motor at the back on the rocker cover near the firewall, whereas the Spec 2 has the ignitor built into the ECU. (see pic)
-Late Spec 2 also have a different CAS unit
-Throttle Position Sensor is different also
-Air Flow Meter Unit is different, has a pink label
here is a good post for pics between the exteriors
http://www.skyline-owners-club.com/forums/showthre...
this one has some other detail changes listed (the boot lock cover for example)
http://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/17349-r33-gts-t...
The series 1 was in production from late '93 through to late '95. The series 2 ran from early '96 through to early/mid '98. They were using parts up though so you can end up with a "spec 1.5" with bits from both as they switched over when old supplies were exhausted.
Where are you based? If you are close I can bring mine to show you if you want to see it in the flesh?
) Mine is a very early spec 1, I imported it through Torque GT (who were excellent) and it was a grade 4 (how to import explained here: http://www.skyline-owners-club.com/forums/showthre...) with just under 50k miles on it! (pics are from various days)
The differences between spec 1's & 2's are relatively small:
Exterior;
New bonnet/bumper/foglight at the front, different spoiler (spec's 2's is the more pronounced)
Inside it's just abit more up-to-date for the time, so new steering wheel, some switch gear and the dash lights/surround is altered.
Under the bonnet
-Turbine Inducer (Air Intake) wheels, Spec 2 is Nylon Click for Picture Spec 1 is Steel Click for Picture
Please Note: All R33 GTST Exducer (Exhaust side) Wheels are ceramic.
-Cam shafts are different and are not inter-changable between engine specs.
-ECU is diffently mapped - so i'm led to believe, but with different turbo spool times and different cams then i guess it would of been.
-Spec 2 have different clutch setups, but are basically the same.
_Spec 1 engine has an coil / spark ignitor unit located on top of the motor at the back on the rocker cover near the firewall, whereas the Spec 2 has the ignitor built into the ECU. (see pic)
-Late Spec 2 also have a different CAS unit
-Throttle Position Sensor is different also
-Air Flow Meter Unit is different, has a pink label
here is a good post for pics between the exteriors
http://www.skyline-owners-club.com/forums/showthre...
this one has some other detail changes listed (the boot lock cover for example)
http://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/17349-r33-gts-t...
The series 1 was in production from late '93 through to late '95. The series 2 ran from early '96 through to early/mid '98. They were using parts up though so you can end up with a "spec 1.5" with bits from both as they switched over when old supplies were exhausted.
Where are you based? If you are close I can bring mine to show you if you want to see it in the flesh?
Yeah I'm really lucky with it that it came up when it did and went for the right price (just over £6k on the road). It's undersealed too this was it after 7months of ownership;
No worries, it's an open offer so look me up if you ever change your mind. Just beware a ride can sometimes focus the mind though
No worries, it's an open offer so look me up if you ever change your mind. Just beware a ride can sometimes focus the mind though
Samjeev said:
Personally for me it would be the S14.
I Love Skylines but I look at a GTST or the GTT R34's and know that at the end of the day its not a GTR
Also personally I think the S14 with the sharper headlights looks better than an R33
Yeah I'm starting to think that might be the better option. I feel a similar way, you'd constantly get people asking you 'is it a GTR' and then you'd have to explain no, it's not... Whereas with an S14, people who know what they are appreciate them for what they are. I also think the S14 looks better and I much prefer the interior (on the touring which is what I'd buy). To be honest the only thing I feel the Skyline really has over the S14 is the more exciting engine.I Love Skylines but I look at a GTST or the GTT R34's and know that at the end of the day its not a GTR
Also personally I think the S14 with the sharper headlights looks better than an R33
Don't want to get drawn into a difference of opinion but I only get asked if it's a GTR by the insurance companies Though I guess you could get asked by the euro brigade, I don't hang around that sort long enough to find out.
You should get a 4-door Skyline, then you'll get no end of funny looks and questions haha
Though I guess you could get asked by the euro brigade, I don't hang around that sort long enough to find out. You should get a 4-door Skyline, then you'll get no end of funny looks and questions haha
Forget what I said about the S14 looking better, I just saw a white R33 today and it looked amazing!
As for the GTR, I'm not interested in those really as I want a relatively simple, analogue RWD car. The GTR with AWD doesn't excite me as much. Plus I can't justify spending that much on a car at the moment.
As for the GTR, I'm not interested in those really as I want a relatively simple, analogue RWD car. The GTR with AWD doesn't excite me as much. Plus I can't justify spending that much on a car at the moment.
were there differences between the US interior and ours? Just looking here they are both very "period" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDqsWcRAcSM
They both look the same to me, just the S14 has leather. The centre console is a direct copy.
Agree with the driving position though, the Skyline's headrests don't go high enough! Everything else is fully adjustable so easy to find the right position even if you have arms like Mr. Tickle!
Agree with the driving position though, the Skyline's headrests don't go high enough! Everything else is fully adjustable so easy to find the right position even if you have arms like Mr. Tickle!
Quick trawl of PH classifieds and Torque GT's showroom gives the below
S14's - £5-£7k (UK)
R33 GTST - £5-£6k (UK) £6-£8K (Import)
S15's - £8-£11k (UK) £11-£15K (Import)
Have you thought about a R34 GTT (the GTST equivalent for R34's)? £10k for this fresh import: http://torque-gt.co.uk/car/nissan-skyline-r34-gtt/
S14's - £5-£7k (UK)
R33 GTST - £5-£6k (UK) £6-£8K (Import)
S15's - £8-£11k (UK) £11-£15K (Import)
Have you thought about a R34 GTT (the GTST equivalent for R34's)? £10k for this fresh import: http://torque-gt.co.uk/car/nissan-skyline-r34-gtt/
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