Integra Type R (new one)

[rsvmilly]

It's time for me to change my Clio and one of the cars I fancy is the new Honda/Acura RSX (Integra) Type R.

Anybody know much about these? All I know is that they are 220-240bhp and (I think) LSD.

[Mr E]

220bhp with a LSD I think.

Pretty sure they're quite cheap too. Not driven one, but Evo like them, so can't all be bad.

[NikB]

I think it's the same lump that's in the EP3 Civic Type R, so it'll have the six speed box.

Litchfield imports sell a racing type R and you can spec extras like big brakes etc.

[dai capp]

New Era Imports have a cracking one on their website for sale...

www.neweraimports.com/stock/carDetails.jsp?carId=68

They're supposed to be a cracking car - an improvement over the old one apparently and that was a very good bit of kit...

DC

[havoc]

NOT entirely an improvement over the old one. It's based on the CTR chassis, suspension and powertrain, so:-

- Heavier, so p/w ratio not that improved (184bhp/t vs 176 bhp/t)
- MacPherson struts instead of double wishbones - increased torque-steer on the CTR as a result, hopefully the lsd will sort some of that out. Also less-sharp turn-in and reduced feedback on the CTR vs the DC2 ITR - again, maybe the DC5 ITR is a bit better.
- Elec-hydraulic PAS on the CTR - if the DC5 has the same, you won't get the same communication through the wheel. Have heard unconfirmed reports that the DC5 gets plain old hydraulic PAS, though, so that might not be a problem.
- And if you ask me, the looks aren't as resolved as the DC2, but that's just my preference.

Evo's summary suggests it's lost a little of the old car's magic. But it'll still be a hoot, I'm sure.

Advantages, though:-
- Better interior design
- Same seats
- Torquier, more flexible engine
- 6-speed box

Costs: Main dealers want silly money for 2nd hand grey imports, but somewhere like Litchfields will do you a fair deal.
Bearing in mind that an import will only have 1-year warranty, you may want to consider buying a mint DC-2 and pocketing the change against accelerated servicing/repair.

[saxo-stew]

www.j-garage.com/honda/integra/dc5/spec.html
have a look here

[flat_steve]

As mentioned, Litchfield Imports can sell you an Integra Type-R for around the 21k mark, or a Racing Type-R (same thing but minus interior for trackday enthusiasts) for just £11,995 inc. vat. Add in a few interior bits, the road pack etc etc and you'll have a perfectly useable road car for the price of a new Focus!



www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/racing.asp

From Litchfield Imports' website:

The Racing Type-R is the ultimate affordable track weapon, whether you're after a fun track-day tool or full-blown racecar the Racing Type-R fits the bill.

The last Integra Type-R brought track thrills and technology to the road in a sensational package, Honda had to think carefully about their new model. Thankfully the new Integra Type-R is faster, looks better, stops quicker and has more all-round performance than ever before.

The previous Integra's 1.8 litre engine gets replaced by a more powerful and flexible 2.0 litre i-VTEC unit, Pumping out 220 bhp @ 8000rpm and 206Nm of torque at 7000rpm, slashing its quarter mile time. The increased engine power is contained by the phenomenal force of the Brembo brakes.

The enhanced power is matched by a newly developed 6-speed manual gearbox offers superb feel and short shift change, while chassis rigidity and suspension settings come in for huge improvements.

The Racing Type-R takes the concept even further, gone are the weight inducing luxury equipment leaving a focused car born for the track.

Contact us now for more information and prices.



I'm personally seriously considering one for my next car (and nearly bought one but the RX-7 just swung it, this time). I think Honda are missing a trick not selling the DC5 in the UK and their explanation is a bit daft!


>> Edited by flat_steve on Wednesday 19th January 17:57

[The DJ 27]

I looked at the Litchfield Type-R. With VAT and the 'Road Pack', it comes in at around £15-16K IIRC. Bargain in my view

[Andy_CTR]

First of all, Hi All !! This is my 1st post, as I've just be directed to this site by a mate !!

The DC-5 is a great car. Maybe not quite as magical as the DC-2, but overall, probably a better car.

Have a look here [url]www.itr-dc5.co.uk/index.php[/url]</a></a>

for more detailed info and a very helpful forum, full of DC-5 owners...

I currently own a CTR, but would love a DC-5 as in my opinion, they are far superior cars. More power, LSD, wider track, lower centre of gravity and a proper hydraulic steering system instead of the poor EPS system in my car all make it far superior. They also benefit from better build quality, and they look fantastic !!!

One other benefit is their exclusivity.. There are currently less that 100 registered in the UK. However I imagine this will increase dramatically in the next year, as they will be running in the BTCC replacing the Team Dynamic CTRs.

As you can tell, I'm a bit of a fan !! I'd get one tomorrow, but at 6'6", I don't fit in the damn things...

Cheers,

Andy.

Edited as the link went a bit wierd :-s
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>> Edited by Andy_CTR on Wednesday 19th January 21:20

>> Edited by Andy_CTR on Wednesday 19th January 21:22

[rsvmilly]

Thanks for the replies.

I just can't decide what I want. My shortlist in no particular order;

1. Scooby STi (current shape) although there are too many Imprezzas on the road.
2. Evo 7 onwards - Super fast but heavier running costs and a bit of an image
3. Integra type R - a bit different; nice coupe shape IMO, not all that much quicker than my Clio in a straight line tho'. And I always promised myself the original 'Teg.
4. BMW 330 Ci - the sensible option. Reasonably fast and comfortable. Unfortunately looks too common with all the 316s about.
5. S2000 - Lovely cars; only two seats but not really a problem - just means it'll never be my turn to drive my mates to the pub!!

Basically want to spend no more than 15-20K. Mileage isn't a problem - I only cover around 10-11,000m pa including business mileage.

Anybody else have any suggestions?

[rsvmilly]

Andy_CTR said:

First of all, Hi All !! This is my 1st post, as I've just be directed to this site by a mate !!

Welcome to the madhouse
You'd better prepare for your work to go downhill and your friends to feel ignored. PH is all consuming and resistance is futile

[havoc]

Litchfield Imports said:

The last Integra Type-R brought track thrills and technology to the road in a sensational package, Honda had to think carefully about their new model. Thankfully the new Integra Type-R is faster, looks better, stops quicker and has more all-round performance than ever before.

Looks better??? Hardly!
More all-round performance? In absolute terms, maybe, but in terms of poise, balance and adjustability, the MacPherson struts have cost it a trick compared to the double-wishbone set-up on the DC2

Litchfield Imports said:

The increased engine power is contained by the phenomenal force of the Brembo brakes.

Which are pretty similar to those in the DC2!

Litchfield Imports said:

The enhanced power is matched by a newly developed 6-speed manual gearbox offers superb feel and short shift change, while chassis rigidity and suspension settings come in for huge improvements.

Gearbox - well, some argue the 5-speed is better as you're forever swapping cogs in the CTR. Both are better than 95% of other gearboxes.
Rigidity - agreed, but that's true of every new car.
Suspension improvements - difficult, the DC2 has one of the best compromises between stiffness and ride quality I've come across - the damping is excellent for the type of car.

But then, what do you expect from a sales pitch.

flat_steve said:

I'm personally seriously considering one for my next car (and nearly bought one but the RX-7 just swung it, this time).

Test-drive one first, esp. if your RX-7 is one of the latest ones - I've heard lots of good things about them in all bar reliability, and think the 'teg would probably seem under-powered, although the handling shouldn't be a step down.

flat_steve said:

I think Honda are missing a trick not selling the DC5 in the UK and their explanation is a bit daft!

Agreed.

[Andy_CTR]

rsvmilly said:

Andy_CTR said: First of all, Hi All !! This is my 1st post, as I've just be directed to this site by a mate !! Welcome to the madhouse You'd better prepare for your work to go downhill and your friends to feel ignored. PH is all consuming and resistance is futile

Thanks for the welcome !!


RSVmilly - All the cars on your list are great cars in their own way, but I feel that the BM would get boring quite quickly compared to the others.

Don't worry that the DC-5 may not be fast enough for you though !!

You will find than the majority of those in the UK are modified in some way, be it simply cat back exhausts and air filters, or re-programable ECUs / headers and camshafts. If you go the full monty with n/a 250bhp at the fly is realistic ...

You can even get a Jackson Racing Supercharger fitted and mapped for about £3.5k... You are looking at a reliable 280 + bhp with 9psi on the stock internals. This will work out a cheaper option, bang-for-your-buck, but will lose some of the character and purity of the n/a engine that really is a great lump !!

The main limit will be traction due to the fwd layout.

Enjoy your test drives !!

[havoc]

Andy_CTR said:

Don't worry that the DC-5 may not be fast enough for you though !! You will find than the majority of those in the UK are modified in some way, be it simply cat back exhausts and air filters, or re-programable ECUs / headers and camshafts. If you go the full monty with n/a 250bhp at the fly is realistic ...

Even from the K20A, 250bhp at the fly will require some rather special cams, and will NOT be cheap to set up - by the time you've done manifold, decat, induction, cams, ECU, probably throttle-bodies to get to that level, you'll have spent the thick end of £3k at least.

But oh, what an engine you will have!!!

Andy_CTR said:

You can even get a Jackson Racing Supercharger fitted and mapped for about £3.5k... You are looking at a reliable 280 + bhp with 9psi on the stock internals. This will work out a cheaper option, bang-for-your-buck, but will lose some of the character and purity of the n/a engine that really is a great lump !! The main limit will be traction due to the fwd layout.

Have to agree with that comment - cheaper route to lots more power, but will compromise the original engine design, which is fantastic, and will stretch the fwd to the limit, even with the torsen diff.