Honda S2000's...

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Bonce

4,339 posts

286 months

Tuesday 7th December 2004
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Well, prices are always going to be a bit lower at this time of year, and prices seem to reflect high milage or old age. I just bought a 40,000 miler from that list for £16k.
I was suprised at how high the residuals are in fact. If I wanted something low mileage I'd have had to pay close to list price (especially considering import prices), and a low milage car from a dealer just wasn't worth £6k extra to me!

mustard

6,992 posts

252 months

Tuesday 7th December 2004
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Gazboy said:
That was my point- they were floating at 20-22k for bloody ages!


no mate, brand fire new circa £26k on a good day, £22k ought to buy one 12mth old, you try finding a car sub £15K thats not been to the moon and back!

Bonce

4,339 posts

286 months

Tuesday 7th December 2004
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They still are if you want 10k miles or less! (or indeed, *any* age car from a Stealer's forecourt.

ApexClipper

25,750 posts

250 months

Tuesday 7th December 2004
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Even the one with 110,000 miles going for 10k is a bargain - that engine is barely run-in.

G Man

4,053 posts

267 months

Saturday 11th December 2004
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The brokers have UK supplied ones for £25250 £1350 off list, have discounts arrived

G MAN

Mustard

6,992 posts

252 months

Saturday 11th December 2004
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G Man said:
The brokers have UK supplied ones for £25250 £1350 off list, have discounts arrived

G MAN


Discounts on S2000's have been around ages, in 2003 we were knocking £1500-£2000 off them, its the way Honda dealers do business!

I believe Carzee got a very good deal on his from a main dealer

Neil_H

15,347 posts

258 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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I think it's a combination of seasonality and the '04 facelift model coming onto the second hand market.

nighthawk

1,757 posts

251 months

Tuesday 14th December 2004
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I've been watching the prices of the S2K for a while as i'm thinking of changing up to one in march next year.

Strange thing is...insurance quotes seem to have gone up
maybe they get a little scared by RWD + 200Bhp and ice

havoc

30,921 posts

242 months

Wednesday 15th December 2004
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I'd get scared by an S2000 in the wet...know a few people who've had, ah, some big "moments" in the wet in S2k's. The pre-facelift cars aren't the most forgiving when it's slippy.

Neil_H

15,347 posts

258 months

Wednesday 15th December 2004
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As long as you give it the respect it deserves it's fine, no different to any other high power RWD car with no driver aids.

havoc

30,921 posts

242 months

Thursday 16th December 2004
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Not strictly true Neil - the S2000 was tuned for agility, while a number of modern rwd cars are tuned for stability (BMWs) or neutrality. Which made it rather, ah, "entertaining" when wet.

The facelifted models seemed to tone this down, from what I'm told.

GregE240

10,857 posts

274 months

Thursday 16th December 2004
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Tell you what, you're right, I've seen about three recently go round a roundabout and spin. Why is this? Is it over enthusiasm on the drivers part, or what? I'm just wondering if the revvy engine kind of lulls you into some sort of false sense of security?

Strange.

havoc

30,921 posts

242 months

Thursday 16th December 2004
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Not quite...I think it's just a snappy chassis. The power doesn't help, but as it comes in at very high revs, as opposed to low-down like a turbo'd car, it shouldn't be an issue.

Unless you're the sort of driver that has no business in either a rwd car OR a car with >100bhp.

Pierscoe1

2,458 posts

268 months

Thursday 16th December 2004
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from what I've seen, nearly all S2k's are driven by people that probably don't even know it's rwd !!

with that peaky engine, I wouldn't be surprised if they had floored it all the way round the roundabout.. only for it to finally come on-cam and woosh....

as said, they've apparently tamed the 'twitchyness' in the later rev cars.. anyone know if this is at the expense of it's agility??

douglasr

1,092 posts

279 months

Thursday 16th December 2004
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Pierscoe1 said:
from what I've seen, nearly all S2k's are driven by people that probably don't even know it's rwd !!

with that peaky engine, I wouldn't be surprised if they had floored it all the way round the roundabout.. only for it to finally come on-cam and woosh....

as said, they've apparently tamed the 'twitchyness' in the later rev cars.. anyone know if this is at the expense of it's agility??


The problem is that its driven by people moving up from a hot hatch or an MX5.
The 2002 model has slightly softer suspension and a more forgiving breakaway. The "moments" I've had in mine have been due to diesel, ice or aquaplaning - the kind of conditions that will pitch any powerfull RWD car off-course.
The 2004 model has more suspension revisions, bigger wheels and tyres (with a different compound).

rralston

701 posts

252 months

Thursday 16th December 2004
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Pierscoe1 said:
from what I've seen, nearly all S2k's are driven by people that probably don't even know it's rwd !!

with that peaky engine, I wouldn't be surprised if they had floored it all the way round the roundabout.. only for it to finally come on-cam and woosh....

as said, they've apparently tamed the 'twitchyness' in the later rev cars.. anyone know if this is at the expense of it's agility??


A lot of the people who buy them really don't know how to handle 240bhp in the wet with a chassis designed for handling rather than forgiveness.

Practice makes....etc etc

There are some minor tweeks you can make to round the on-limit handling - tyres, pressures, and spending time on the track to get used to the diff.

The 99-01 where the more agile cars, 02-03 ran thinner antiroll bars on the rear, 04 is softer and with even thinner anti-roll bars, but with slightly bigger alloys.

Pretty subtle differences, but it like anything, if you want something to enjoy, the S flys in the right hands

Bonce

4,339 posts

286 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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Pierscoe1 said:
as said, they've apparently tamed the 'twitchyness' in the later rev cars.. anyone know if this is at the expense of it's agility??

One big difference between my 2001 car and the 2004 car I test drove was that the 04 car had no kick in the back when it came on cam. It was just smooth all the way up, which I found to be slightly uninspiring. But it would certainly be a good thing for those people who accelerate through corners in the wet.

Dakkon

7,826 posts

260 months

Friday 17th December 2004
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Think im going to have to drive both and make up my mind then, trying to get a revision 2 car would put right at the very limit of my budget, and I need to know that its worth the extra

rj_vaughan

241 posts

259 months

Tuesday 21st December 2004
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IMO it's not

Bonce bought my car (a 2001 Y), the revisions started on the 2002 model.

See my comments on the other thread about the differences.

Definately drive them both, but don't get too hung up about things like the stereo and gearknob.. you can replace them simply enough. You should get a bargain early mint car this time of year. If you haven't, pop over to the UK section of S2ki.com and have a look at the For Sale & Wanted section.

Bonce

4,339 posts

286 months

Tuesday 21st December 2004
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In my opinion, most of the 2002 revisions are worth having but most of the 2004 revisions are much less useful.

However, was I prepared to pay £5,000 extra for 2002 car over a 2001 car? No way! I'm very happy with my old banger.