2.2 D4D Cylinder Head Gasket Blown, But No Symptoms?
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Hi All,
Am new to this forum, so please excuse me if this issue/question has already been covered..
I have just bought the wife a 2006 XT5 and in nearly every respect it is great!
The only issue is cold starting which I didn't pick up on until after I'd bought it.
After reading up on the issue, I started going through the obvious, easy to sort out possible causes. To date I've removed and cleaned the EGR valve, removed and cleaned the MAF sensor, replaced the glow plugs and replaced the coolant temperature sensor. None of which have made any difference...?
In the end I decided to take it to my local dealer so that they could take a look while I waited. Within an hour they called me up to the desk to inform me that the cylinder head gasket had gone!!?!?!?! They said they had done some kind of verification that involved a colour test which categorically showed the issue. I then asked how much it would be to fix? "Between 4 and 5,000 pounds sir" said the Service Manager..... Once I'd picked myself up off the floor I left.
What I don't understand is that the car doesn't show any of the usual signs of such a failure mode. Oil is fine and black with no creamy sludge, also the level is constant. Water is clean with no signs of bubbles or contamination and again at a constant level. No overheating problems and no limp mode activation. Exhaust is clean apart from a cloud of white smoke when I first start the thing from cold, but I'm guessing that's due to fuel being pumped around while I'm trying to get it going (can take 3 or 4 attempts), and it vanishes straight away. Surely if the cold start issue was due to a cylinder head gasket then I would see some of the above symptoms? It goes like a rocket and drives really well so I am stumped?
Additionally, they said the gasket cannot be replaced as there is likely to be warpage or a crack so the entire engine would have to be changed...?
Is it possible they are correct? if so, are there any other options rather than a £5,000 engine swap? Also, does anyone have any other ideas (assuming the gasket hasn't gone) on why the first start of the day is so problematic?
Any help at all would be very much appreciated!!!
Thanks!
Am new to this forum, so please excuse me if this issue/question has already been covered..
I have just bought the wife a 2006 XT5 and in nearly every respect it is great!
The only issue is cold starting which I didn't pick up on until after I'd bought it.
After reading up on the issue, I started going through the obvious, easy to sort out possible causes. To date I've removed and cleaned the EGR valve, removed and cleaned the MAF sensor, replaced the glow plugs and replaced the coolant temperature sensor. None of which have made any difference...?
In the end I decided to take it to my local dealer so that they could take a look while I waited. Within an hour they called me up to the desk to inform me that the cylinder head gasket had gone!!?!?!?! They said they had done some kind of verification that involved a colour test which categorically showed the issue. I then asked how much it would be to fix? "Between 4 and 5,000 pounds sir" said the Service Manager..... Once I'd picked myself up off the floor I left.
What I don't understand is that the car doesn't show any of the usual signs of such a failure mode. Oil is fine and black with no creamy sludge, also the level is constant. Water is clean with no signs of bubbles or contamination and again at a constant level. No overheating problems and no limp mode activation. Exhaust is clean apart from a cloud of white smoke when I first start the thing from cold, but I'm guessing that's due to fuel being pumped around while I'm trying to get it going (can take 3 or 4 attempts), and it vanishes straight away. Surely if the cold start issue was due to a cylinder head gasket then I would see some of the above symptoms? It goes like a rocket and drives really well so I am stumped?
Additionally, they said the gasket cannot be replaced as there is likely to be warpage or a crack so the entire engine would have to be changed...?
Is it possible they are correct? if so, are there any other options rather than a £5,000 engine swap? Also, does anyone have any other ideas (assuming the gasket hasn't gone) on why the first start of the day is so problematic?
Any help at all would be very much appreciated!!!
Thanks!
sounds like they are at it.
take it to an independent for a second opinion.
unless there is something mega special about the compression ratios being very sensitive i can't imagine why they couldn't skim the head.
it could be that there is a very small seep between the water channel and the pistons but i'd imagine it'd need to leak into all pistons to make it hard to start.
take it to an independent for a second opinion.
unless there is something mega special about the compression ratios being very sensitive i can't imagine why they couldn't skim the head.
it could be that there is a very small seep between the water channel and the pistons but i'd imagine it'd need to leak into all pistons to make it hard to start.
Edited by gowmonster on Wednesday 26th March 11:22
did you get a warranty with it? or a AA/RAC check? might be worth checking any small print to see if this is covered.
tis either that or cut your losses by trading it in against something else, or selling it privately sold as seen. not a very nice thing to do if you hide the fault, but you could always mention it and then there is no comeback.
do you know if there is a toyota recall for this? what previous service history does it have, if it's full perhaps toyota might give out some good will?
tis either that or cut your losses by trading it in against something else, or selling it privately sold as seen. not a very nice thing to do if you hide the fault, but you could always mention it and then there is no comeback.
do you know if there is a toyota recall for this? what previous service history does it have, if it's full perhaps toyota might give out some good will?
gowmonster said:
did you get a warranty with it? or a AA/RAC check? might be worth checking any small print to see if this is covered.
Even if he doesn't have a warrenty, if it came from a dealer and the OP has only just got it, then the dealer needs to be in the loop asap. The dealer has to sell it "fit for purpose". And if it's not starting, that's not fit for purpose.Also check out this relating to head gasket problems with the 2.2 and suggestion of extended warrenty to 7 years and 100,000 miles by toyota ....
Edit to include link: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/?t=93585
And another: http://www.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/topic/13719...
Edited by Munter on Wednesday 26th March 13:08
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