Worn Rotor Tips

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TIMONLINE

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8 posts

163 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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Is anyone able to advise on the process and cost of replacing worn rotor tips?

What effect is a worn rotor tip likely to have?

matchmaker

8,614 posts

206 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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TIMONLINE said:
Is anyone able to advise on the process and cost of replacing worn rotor tips?

What effect is a worn rotor tip likely to have?
Could be expensive. You could crash. eekeek



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Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

252 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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The usual effect is, I believe, an early visit to the scrapyard.

Oldandslow

2,405 posts

212 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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Burn more oil, starting problems and reduced mpg I think. There are a few specialist rotary engine places

Try here for less hilarious advice
http://mazdarotaryclub.com/

thatdude

2,657 posts

133 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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Are you talking about rotary engines OP?

If so, worn tips (apex seals i think they are also known as) will result in poor chamber sealing (so loss of compression, loss of power) and possibly poor lubrication

Or are you talking about brake rotors (americans call disc's rotors)

Crusoe

4,072 posts

237 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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£1000 re-tip in the vane seals at 60-70k is often required. Engine open and replace job, usual symproms are reluctantance to start.

TIMONLINE

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8 posts

163 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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Could it result in high hydrocarbon emissions or oil/water mixing?

Hooli

32,278 posts

206 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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TIMONLINE said:
Could it result in high hydrocarbon emissions or oil/water mixing?
Emissions yes, as it will affect combustion in the same way as worn piston rings - crap compression etc.
Oil & water, no I can't see that as they don't seal that out of the chamber.

wolves_wanderer

12,575 posts

243 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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If you are talking about an RX8 they frequently have "mayonnaise" on the dipstick due to condensation, it isn't a problem and only tends to happen in cold weather. Worn rotor tips manifest as a reluctance in hot starting and a gradual loss of power.

to repair you are looking at about £800 worth of parts and a reasonably tricky (but DIYable) job or between £1500-£2000 for an engine rebuild. Best get it ported at the same time.

jonno990

420 posts

184 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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Stick some brake fluid on them and get shut quick wink

BFG TERRANO

2,172 posts

154 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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Crossfire between chambers, poor power and lowered mpg.

lincsls2

3,427 posts

146 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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Roughly £2K for a decent rebuild with a good warranty.
Sounds a lot and is for what the cars are worth now, but IMO still worth paying because the RX8 is a brilliant sports car.
Very often excessive wear is caused by failing coil packs which create poor spark making the engine run rich which in turn washes the spray oil off the rotor tips causing early failure...some thing to think about.
Had to replace all 4 coils on my wifes RX8 last year, the car has less than 30k on the clock.
Really good car though!

TIMONLINE

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8 posts

163 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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Cheers guys - so a hydrocarbons failure could well be due to worn rotor tips which is a mega job to fix?

wolves_wanderer

12,575 posts

243 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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TIMONLINE said:
Cheers guys - so a hydrocarbons failure could well be due to worn rotor tips which is a mega job to fix?
If you failed on emissions the most likely culprit is the cat. Rotarys have a high exhaust temperature which tends to kill cats, this is exacerbated by failing coils which, scandalously are not a service item (in reality they should be done every 30k or so). If the car starts ok hot then I would be checking coils and cat first.

wolves_wanderer

12,575 posts

243 months

Thursday 13th February 2014
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Just seen your other thread, its still the cat smile

rotarymazda

538 posts

171 months

Friday 14th February 2014
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TIMONLINE said:
Is anyone able to advise on the process and cost of replacing worn rotor tips?

What effect is a worn rotor tip likely to have?
Some rotary specialists with good reputations:

1. WGT Auto Developments
2. Jimmys (Norfolk)
3. Haywood Rotary


Process is drive in, wait a week, drive out with warranty. Costs £2-£3k.

Robb F

4,591 posts

177 months

Friday 14th February 2014
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Rx-7s are surprisingly easy to strip down and replace the rotor tips. I'm guessing Rx-8s are similar, and I'm guessing you're talking about an Rx-something.

TIMONLINE

Original Poster:

8 posts

163 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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Yes - an RX8.

How likely are worn tips to cause hydrocarbon emission failures? Do worn tips mean a rebuild?

Mave

8,209 posts

221 months

Monday 17th February 2014
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TIMONLINE said:
Yes - an RX8.

How likely are worn tips to cause hydrocarbon emission failures? Do worn tips mean a rebuild?
Depends on cat condtion. Do you have problems starting when hot?

IainT

10,040 posts

244 months

Wednesday 19th February 2014
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TIMONLINE said:
Yes - an RX8.

How likely are worn tips to cause hydrocarbon emission failures? Do worn tips mean a rebuild?
From my experience (owned an RX-7 in various stages of tune for 12 years) wear will not cause emissions issues but a cracked/chipped one would but you'd know if that'd happened.

As others have suggested Cat is most likely culprit but also clean plugs might help and check the coil packs. Dodgy sensors might also be a problem if the ECU gets the wrong info it may not run efficiently enough.