Calling All Toyota Boffs ??!!

Calling All Toyota Boffs ??!!

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xman

Original Poster:

7 posts

240 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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I've just bought a Lotus Exige which nicks the engine from a Toyota Celica as you all probably know. I'm looking at increasing the power and the power band and am after some advice from you all as the Lotus lot don't seem to know much about modding these engines..as its all a bit new to them.

I'm looking for recommended performance airfilters, ecu mapping and perhaps a supercharger if its within reason and anything else you can think of...so can anyone help??

Thanks a million
xman

DanBoy

4,899 posts

250 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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It's the 1.8 from the new Celica, isn't it?

If it was the old 2.0 from the 3rd (?) generation Celica you could just do a 3SGTE swap from a GT4.

It's probably still possibly actually...

Dunno why Toyota didn't release a GT4 version of the latest Celica tbh. Must be some kind of marketing thing...

tuttle

3,427 posts

244 months

Tuesday 9th November 2004
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Mr E

22,128 posts

266 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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The 2ZZ?

The Blitz S/Charger kit is for a Jap ECU only.....

....however, I know a man who supercharged a couple. Custom job, and not cheap. Excellent results though.

Mail me and I'll put you in touch with him.

Munter

31,326 posts

248 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Isn't the engine essentially the same as the one in the latest MR2 externally, which being mid engined is more like the Elise i guess. If so you might be able to use some of those tuning parts as well....?

Mr E

22,128 posts

266 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Munter said:
Isn't the engine essentially the same as the one in the latest MR2 externally, which being mid engined is more like the Elise i guess. If so you might be able to use some of those tuning parts as well....?


Elise gets the 1ZZ. 140bhp.

m12_nathan

5,138 posts

266 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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The Blitz S Charger kit won't fit in the Exige engine bay, this has been discussed loads on seloc.org - do a search on there.

m12_nathan

5,138 posts

266 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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[quote=DanBoy]
If it was the old 2.0 from the 3rd (?) generation Celica you could just do a 3SGTE swap from a GT4.

It's probably still possibly actually...
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3sGTE doesn't have an Alloy block does it? It'd be too heavy. There is no point in reinventing the wheel for transplants, it'd cost far to much. You can stick a supercharged Honda K20A in an Elise s2 so that should fit - £10k + the supercharger IIRC.

DustyC

12,820 posts

261 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Gazboy said:

111R, Fed, and Exige have the 2ZZ wotsit, with 190bhp. It appears you can't really tune it either.


The VVTLi from the Celica.

When the Celica was first introduced didnt they also bring out a mad 500BHP one?
It was yellow with a kinda F1 front

DustyC

12,820 posts

261 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25280

Useful info on that forum, even talk from Lotus owners.

DustyC

12,820 posts

261 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Dont mention that awful word in here!

Mr E

22,128 posts

266 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Gazboy said:

Mr E said:


Munter said:
Isn't the engine essentially the same as the one in the latest MR2 externally, which being mid engined is more like the Elise i guess. If so you might be able to use some of those tuning parts as well....?




Elise gets the 1ZZ. 140bhp.



111R, Fed, and Exige have the 2ZZ wotsit, with 190bhp. It appears you can't really tune it either.


Sorry - I meant MR2 gets the 1ZZ....... Gaz is quite correct.

I am an idiot.

Mr E

22,128 posts

266 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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m12_nathan said:


3sGTE doesn't have an Alloy block does it? It'd be too heavy.


No, the GTE is an Iron block.

Mr E

22,128 posts

266 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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DustyC said:

When the Celica was first introduced didnt they also bring out a mad 500BHP one?
It was yellow with a kinda F1 front


Rod Millen, yes.

It was a 6th generation GT4 with a 7th gen bodyshell on it.

It says something when the 'Ultimate' incarnation of your flagship sports coupe is really the previous model in drag.

m12_nathan

5,138 posts

266 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Mr E said:

m12_nathan said:


3sGTE doesn't have an Alloy block does it? It'd be too heavy.



No, the GTE is an Iron block.


Not the best thing to put in a lightweight mid engined car then, especially once you add the turbo and the stronger box required to cope with the torque.

Munter

31,326 posts

248 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Gazboy said:

Mr E said:


Munter said:
Isn't the engine essentially the same as the one in the latest MR2 externally, which being mid engined is more like the Elise i guess. If so you might be able to use some of those tuning parts as well....?




Elise gets the 1ZZ. 140bhp.



111R, Fed, and Exige have the 2ZZ wotsit, with 190bhp. It appears you can't really tune it either.


Are we saying you cant tune it because no-one builds the bits needed? Or because theres no more power to be had from the engine!!! Have we reached a stage where your "Aftermarket tuner" can do nothing to increase power?

Mr E

22,128 posts

266 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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m12_nathan said:



Not the best thing to put in a lightweight mid engined car then, especially once you add the turbo and the stronger box required to cope with the torque.


Not really, no.

And with a hybrid turbo and a FMIC, you start introducing lag. Not a great idea on a Mid-Rear lightweight car.

The 2ZZ is really a very efficent lump. It's already getting more than 100bhp/litre in NA form so extracting more is difficult, and very expensive I would guess.

I'd suggest a supercharger is your best choice, but that too will be custom and sodding expensive.

DustyC

12,820 posts

261 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Mr E said:

m12_nathan said:



Not the best thing to put in a lightweight mid engined car then, especially once you add the turbo and the stronger box required to cope with the torque.



Not really, no.


Never heard of the Esthi <3.4

Mr E

22,128 posts

266 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Yes. And then I saw the price.

DustyC

12,820 posts

261 months

Wednesday 10th November 2004
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Bargin isn't it! I saw one for sale in Germany for 109,000 Euros recently.
Considering it does 200MPH, thats a pretty good price?

....and perhaps the cheapest scare this side of jet engined drag cars!

(BTW: THis is coming from someone who just bought a Mars bar instead of a muffin to save 50P!).