Subaru Legacy B4 saloon
Discussion
Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone has the knoledge of the legacy B4? I am wondering if any other subaru model parts fit the B4?
E.G. does any other lowering springs fit - exhaust system? induction - dump valve.
It is the 280 bhp version twin turbo year 2000 tiptronic
Thanks in advance for any assistance or help provided.
Cheers
Chris
Just wondering if anyone has the knoledge of the legacy B4? I am wondering if any other subaru model parts fit the B4?
E.G. does any other lowering springs fit - exhaust system? induction - dump valve.
It is the 280 bhp version twin turbo year 2000 tiptronic
Thanks in advance for any assistance or help provided.
Cheers
Chris
I've got the estate version (GTB) but I'm not really into modding mine so I'm not too sure on that stuff. There are quite a few bits that are shared with Imprezas of the same age (including lots of suspension stuff I think) but exhausts will be different (twin v single turbo, different size car!).
I think you'll find that the tiptronic cars are 260bhp not 280 too, but www.uklegacy.com is a good place to try for more info
I think you'll find that the tiptronic cars are 260bhp not 280 too, but www.uklegacy.com is a good place to try for more info
chris sti 1 said:
Thanks for that link I will take a look tonight.
Bit of a culture change really, my last 3 cars have been evo 5 and 6's at 350 to 380 bhp, but the legacy is very quick for the bhp it carries, seriously need lowering though for the corners.
Thanks
Chris
Bit of a culture change really, my last 3 cars have been evo 5 and 6's at 350 to 380 bhp, but the legacy is very quick for the bhp it carries, seriously need lowering though for the corners.
Thanks
Chris
Subaru spent millions of pounds developing it with Porsche and Bilstein, and you want to lower it
Lowering a car doesnt make it handle better, it can be upset by bumps more and actually have less grip as a result.
nottyash said:
Subaru spent millions of pounds developing it with Porsche and Bilstein, and you want to lower itLowering a car doesnt make it handle better, it can be upset by bumps more and actually have less grip as a result.
Take the exhaust for example - a decent free flowing exhaust an almost any turbo car will give some additional power, so it will be quicker. The 'millions of pounds of development' doesn't end up with a higher flowing exhaust though, because it's inevitably noisier- which 'the masses' don't like it. I personally love hearing the sounds of the engine, and more power is great - not a laughable idea really?
Same thing applies to the suspension (and almost every other aspect of the car). Some decent after-market coilovers would almost certainly improve the handling of the car (and arguably make it look better too). The OP wanting something different to what was designed to appeal 'the majority' shouldn't be that hard to understand!
Oh, and to reply to the topic, have you had a drive of one? I had a bug-eyed impreza for a couple of years and quite liked it. I thought the same thing about the B4 - a bit of extra power and they seem like a bargain for the money. Having driven one though I couldn't live with it. The 'hole' between the two turbos spooling up is really noticeable. It's like power power power, paaaause, power power power. I really hated it unfortunately.
wurumal said:
nottyash said:
Subaru spent millions of pounds developing it with Porsche and Bilstein, and you want to lower itLowering a car doesnt make it handle better, it can be upset by bumps more and actually have less grip as a result.
Take the exhaust for example - a decent free flowing exhaust an almost any turbo car will give some additional power, so it will be quicker. The 'millions of pounds of development' doesn't end up with a higher flowing exhaust though, because it's inevitably noisier- which 'the masses' don't like it. I personally love hearing the sounds of the engine, and more power is great - not a laughable idea really?
Same thing applies to the suspension (and almost every other aspect of the car). Some decent after-market coilovers would almost certainly improve the handling of the car (and arguably make it look better too). The OP wanting something different to what was designed to appeal 'the majority' shouldn't be that hard to understand!
For example, simply fitting lowing springs reduce damper travel reducing the efficacy of the damping - a damper is designed and valved to work over its full stroke not a tiny bit in the middle. Lowering also alters the angle of wishbones (they can go from pointing down to pointing up), which can alter the roll centre of the car - the car is lowered but actually rolls more
so people fit stiffer ARBs which make the ride even harsher. This ultimately leads to a very very stiff ride, appalling cornering because of wheel hop, but it feels fast because you have to hang on for grim death.What Chris STi was probably experiencing is a lack of roll stiffness, which is not necessarily cured by 'seriously lowering' (see comment on roll-centre) Fitting stiffer ARBs for example could offer a bigger improvement on UK roads than lowering. I've driven a lowered GTB and it was bloody awful.
Suspension design is best left to the manufactures, but if you must modify, at the very least, use very very experienced tuners with suspension gurus on their staff. Lowering springs are generally crap - if you want a lower car, fit good quality coil-overs, and make sure you make the necessary changes too - RC correction mods for example.
I drove an earlier GTB, but didnt take it far. I owned a WRX Bugeye and thought it rolled far too much. As said above Whiteline anti roll bars appear to help but I never bothered.Lowering the car wont help and will just make it more uncomfortable.
I had 2 Toyota Starlet Glanza V at the same time one lowered, one standard the standard one rolled more but handled better than the lowered one.
I had 2 Toyota Starlet Glanza V at the same time one lowered, one standard the standard one rolled more but handled better than the lowered one.
wurumal said:
Oh, and to reply to the topic, have you had a drive of one? I had a bug-eyed impreza for a couple of years and quite liked it. I thought the same thing about the B4 - a bit of extra power and they seem like a bargain for the money. Having driven one though I couldn't live with it. The 'hole' between the two turbos spooling up is really noticeable. It's like power power power, paaaause, power power power. I really hated it unfortunately.
It depends a lot how old the car is and how healthy - 3rd gen is much better than 2nd gen and they also made some fairly significant changes with the '01 facelift, the old 'valley of death' is certainly not an issue at all with my GTB. And its always more noticeable on a tired or badly maintained example.IMO its also the best-judged balance of bump absorption and body control for a road car that I've found - I guess it depends what you're comparing it with whether you think it rolls or not.
Edited by GravelBen on Monday 14th November 19:56
Blimey I have started something here :0
On a serious note - I had a WRX 2004 model and I hated the basic ride on that it did seem like it just wanted to role at high speed cornering. I had it professionally lowered by coil overs at the change was incredible far much improved (my opinion only)
The reason for the change is that I have had so many subaru's and Evo's I really fancied a change - something a bit more sensible but let's say a sheep in wolf's clothing and have a play with it.
I agree the lag between the two turbo's is already doing my head in but I just want to do something different, so what I am doing is for more visual looks and appearance as the stance will be much improved to the eye by having the wheels I am going to purchase sat just above the arches.
The exhaust though needs to be released a straight four needs to be heard (my opinion) not the neighbours. lol. I have just bought a Vortex system and should be here tomorrow, fitted a chav valve today sounds nice.
I think at the end of the day we are all different and want different things, but I take all your feedback seriously and do take it on board - THANKS.
Chris
On a serious note - I had a WRX 2004 model and I hated the basic ride on that it did seem like it just wanted to role at high speed cornering. I had it professionally lowered by coil overs at the change was incredible far much improved (my opinion only)
The reason for the change is that I have had so many subaru's and Evo's I really fancied a change - something a bit more sensible but let's say a sheep in wolf's clothing and have a play with it.
I agree the lag between the two turbo's is already doing my head in but I just want to do something different, so what I am doing is for more visual looks and appearance as the stance will be much improved to the eye by having the wheels I am going to purchase sat just above the arches.
The exhaust though needs to be released a straight four needs to be heard (my opinion) not the neighbours. lol. I have just bought a Vortex system and should be here tomorrow, fitted a chav valve today sounds nice.
I think at the end of the day we are all different and want different things, but I take all your feedback seriously and do take it on board - THANKS.
Chris
chris sti 1 said:
Blimey I have started something here :0
On a serious note - I had a WRX 2004 model and I hated the basic ride on that it did seem like it just wanted to role at high speed cornering. I had it professionally lowered by coil overs at the change was incredible far much improved (my opinion only)
The reason for the change is that I have had so many subaru's and Evo's I really fancied a change - something a bit more sensible but let's say a sheep in wolf's clothing and have a play with it.
I agree the lag between the two turbo's is already doing my head in but I just want to do something different, so what I am doing is for more visual looks and appearance as the stance will be much improved to the eye by having the wheels I am going to purchase sat just above the arches.
The exhaust though needs to be released a straight four needs to be heard (my opinion) not the neighbours. lol. I have just bought a Vortex system and should be here tomorrow, fitted a chav valve today sounds nice.
I think at the end of the day we are all different and want different things, but I take all your feedback seriously and do take it on board - THANKS.
Chris
VOD not got any on mine since the Nutty mod another reason to join Uklegacy forum On a serious note - I had a WRX 2004 model and I hated the basic ride on that it did seem like it just wanted to role at high speed cornering. I had it professionally lowered by coil overs at the change was incredible far much improved (my opinion only)
The reason for the change is that I have had so many subaru's and Evo's I really fancied a change - something a bit more sensible but let's say a sheep in wolf's clothing and have a play with it.
I agree the lag between the two turbo's is already doing my head in but I just want to do something different, so what I am doing is for more visual looks and appearance as the stance will be much improved to the eye by having the wheels I am going to purchase sat just above the arches.
The exhaust though needs to be released a straight four needs to be heard (my opinion) not the neighbours. lol. I have just bought a Vortex system and should be here tomorrow, fitted a chav valve today sounds nice.
I think at the end of the day we are all different and want different things, but I take all your feedback seriously and do take it on board - THANKS.
Chris
Suspension-wise, obviously your call if you want to make it corner flatter at the expense of some bump absorption and suspension travel.
Some front suspension parts may be interchangeable between Legacy/Impreza but the back won't be as the BE/BH Legacy is multilink rear and the Impreza was still Mac strut until the hatch version.
Some front suspension parts may be interchangeable between Legacy/Impreza but the back won't be as the BE/BH Legacy is multilink rear and the Impreza was still Mac strut until the hatch version.
rhinochopig said:
It's not the same thing at all. Suspension design is whole different ball game to swapping an exhaust and remapping - if necessary - to accommodate.
...[lots of good stuf]...
Lowering springs are generally crap - if you want a lower car, fit good quality coil-overs, and make sure you make the necessary changes too - RC correction mods for example.
Yep, all fair points. Sorry, there just seems to be general 'modified cars are crap' vibe in the car community in the UK for some reason which I was jumping on. I definitely agree that, particularly with suspension, you could definitely make things worth by modifying - but I think some people are not willing to concede that you can certainly make it better too!...[lots of good stuf]...
Lowering springs are generally crap - if you want a lower car, fit good quality coil-overs, and make sure you make the necessary changes too - RC correction mods for example.
GravelBen said:
It depends a lot how old the car is and how healthy - 3rd gen is much better than 2nd gen and they also made some fairly significant changes with the '01 facelift, the old 'valley of death' is certainly not an issue at all with my GTB. And its always more noticeable on a tired or badly maintained example.
That's really interesting to know. I'd pretty much written them off as I understood it was a case of 'they all do that sir'. I might have more of a look around then!Edited by GravelBen on Monday 14th November 19:56
wurumal said:
rhinochopig said:
It's not the same thing at all. Suspension design is whole different ball game to swapping an exhaust and remapping - if necessary - to accommodate.
...[lots of good stuf]...
Lowering springs are generally crap - if you want a lower car, fit good quality coil-overs, and make sure you make the necessary changes too - RC correction mods for example.
Yep, all fair points. Sorry, there just seems to be general 'modified cars are crap' vibe in the car community in the UK for some reason which I was jumping on. I definitely agree that, particularly with suspension, you could definitely make things worth by modifying - but I think some people are not willing to concede that you can certainly make it better too!...[lots of good stuf]...
Lowering springs are generally crap - if you want a lower car, fit good quality coil-overs, and make sure you make the necessary changes too - RC correction mods for example.
Have a look at trackcit's (IIRC) Blue S2 Pug Rallye to see this in effect. Not one criticism of a very heavily modified car.
I'm currently driving a 99' B4 RSK and loving it. Used to run an MY00 classic Impreza and I think the suspension on the B4 is a wonderful balance between the teeth rattling ride of the Impreza and a comfortable saloon, I can't say I've noticed too much body roll.
Regarding the engine, it's definitely different and when we got the car the VOD was both random and huge. A refurbished solenoid box from "Nutty" on the UK Legacy forums transformed the engine into what feels like a factory fresh state, there's still a small pause in power delivery between turbos but it's now much reduced and totally predicatable.
Regarding the engine, it's definitely different and when we got the car the VOD was both random and huge. A refurbished solenoid box from "Nutty" on the UK Legacy forums transformed the engine into what feels like a factory fresh state, there's still a small pause in power delivery between turbos but it's now much reduced and totally predicatable.
I had one (check profile) and fully recommend it. In fact I will give one serious consideration when I need a sensible four seater. They are fantastic cars, capable of being serene, quiet and sensible yet with a stab of the right foot can become a complete animal. Quite a lot of owners suffer from an addiction known as 'Second Turbo Syndrome' where the boost of the second turbo is highly addictive!
To clear something up about the suspension as well. Porsche had nothing to do with the suspension on the B4, Porsche Design were responsible for the body kit, wheels, and had something to do with the programming of the Tiptonic on the Blitzen. My B4 RSK was lowered on STI lowering springs and handled sublimely. I wouldn't put coilovers or anything on it, not that sort of car.
In fact I'm beginning to wonder why the hell I sold it?!
Definitely recommend 100%
James.
To clear something up about the suspension as well. Porsche had nothing to do with the suspension on the B4, Porsche Design were responsible for the body kit, wheels, and had something to do with the programming of the Tiptonic on the Blitzen. My B4 RSK was lowered on STI lowering springs and handled sublimely. I wouldn't put coilovers or anything on it, not that sort of car.
In fact I'm beginning to wonder why the hell I sold it?!
Definitely recommend 100%
James.
Edited by JamesHayward on Wednesday 16th November 15:35
Once again THANKS for some good positive feedback.
To those who are against me modifying the car EG the exhaust system I can understand your opinion, however not once have I insulted anyone in this topic - so why should your opinion matter if so insulting.
I am a mature 40 year old who has had cars some would wet their pants in and never know how to handle, I like the Jap cars and I will never move away from them. Not bragging but I could buy any car on the road if I wanted it.
Subtle mods like the exhaust (I like the subaru rumble) - lowering the suspension (I like the stance) and a simple dump valve (I like the sound on gear change)That makes me a boy racer
Ever had an hair cut - why cut it you was born with it to grow
On a serious note! I do appreciate the positive constructive opinions - Thanks
To those who are against me modifying the car EG the exhaust system I can understand your opinion, however not once have I insulted anyone in this topic - so why should your opinion matter if so insulting.
I am a mature 40 year old who has had cars some would wet their pants in and never know how to handle, I like the Jap cars and I will never move away from them. Not bragging but I could buy any car on the road if I wanted it.
Subtle mods like the exhaust (I like the subaru rumble) - lowering the suspension (I like the stance) and a simple dump valve (I like the sound on gear change)That makes me a boy racer
Ever had an hair cut - why cut it you was born with it to grow
On a serious note! I do appreciate the positive constructive opinions - Thanks
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