Running a DBS (Compared to a Vantage?)
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Some questions out of curiosity of the comparison in cost of a DBS against a V8 Vantage; I'm certainly not changing before a year of owning my V8V but I'm interested to know for the future, whether it's a reasonable goal or not!
So I'm currently running a 59 V8V Roadster, the costs are along the lines of 14mpg over 12k miles per year and a £1000 service every 10k miles (only talking cars well within warranty so no issues there). My insurance hikes from £1200 to £2300 doing a quote now but what are the other expenses to take into consideration on top of presumably something like a mere 10mpg on fuel (if you do 10-12k miles a year that's a lot!). Are DBS services significantly more expensive and/or more regular? Completely ignoring the additional depreciation of a more expensive car too!
Something like this really doesn't feel too far away:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
If they drop down to nearer to the £100k mark I could see one being a real possibility nearer the end of 2011!
So I'm currently running a 59 V8V Roadster, the costs are along the lines of 14mpg over 12k miles per year and a £1000 service every 10k miles (only talking cars well within warranty so no issues there). My insurance hikes from £1200 to £2300 doing a quote now but what are the other expenses to take into consideration on top of presumably something like a mere 10mpg on fuel (if you do 10-12k miles a year that's a lot!). Are DBS services significantly more expensive and/or more regular? Completely ignoring the additional depreciation of a more expensive car too!
Something like this really doesn't feel too far away:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
If they drop down to nearer to the £100k mark I could see one being a real possibility nearer the end of 2011!
Well I switched last year from a '09 4.7 V8V to a '10 V12V which must be a similar swap in terms of running costs.
My fuel economy on the V8 was around 12mpg and I now get around 10mpg out of the V12V - so thats 20% more fuel. The insurance went up by around 15% but Im pretty sure that most of the rise is due to the value of the car, as it will be in your case too I'm sure. Other cost factors include tyres and servicing but these are all insignificant compared to the depreciation on any £100k+ car. If you can afford the depreciation then the other factors really dont come into it.
My fuel economy on the V8 was around 12mpg and I now get around 10mpg out of the V12V - so thats 20% more fuel. The insurance went up by around 15% but Im pretty sure that most of the rise is due to the value of the car, as it will be in your case too I'm sure. Other cost factors include tyres and servicing but these are all insignificant compared to the depreciation on any £100k+ car. If you can afford the depreciation then the other factors really dont come into it.
Adam2S said:
Well I switched last year from a '09 4.7 V8V to a '10 V12V which must be a similar swap in terms of running costs.
My fuel economy on the V8 was around 12mpg and I now get around 10mpg out of the V12V - so thats 20% more fuel. The insurance went up by around 15% but Im pretty sure that most of the rise is due to the value of the car, as it will be in your case too I'm sure. Other cost factors include tyres and servicing but these are all insignificant compared to the depreciation on any £100k+ car. If you can afford the depreciation then the other factors really dont come into it.
Likewise did the same thing. Although I must have been doing something wrong because I was getting 24mpg on the 4.7 and that dropped to 14mpg on the 6.0L.My fuel economy on the V8 was around 12mpg and I now get around 10mpg out of the V12V - so thats 20% more fuel. The insurance went up by around 15% but Im pretty sure that most of the rise is due to the value of the car, as it will be in your case too I'm sure. Other cost factors include tyres and servicing but these are all insignificant compared to the depreciation on any £100k+ car. If you can afford the depreciation then the other factors really dont come into it.
My understanding is a 10000mi/1st year service at AMWS is a grand all-in (inc.VAT)for the V12V. I know official dealer services are circa £850 for the 4.7L V8V.
With my little knowledge I assume;
a) more oil in V12
b) harder to service a V12V (crowded engine bay, hard to get at filter)- but might be the case in a DBS
c) the 4yr/40,000mile service is the killer (£???) as the ceramic anchors need to come off and be weighted.
d) not sure if the DBS active suspension needs any service.
On insurance, I'm with Locktons and the key driver of their policies is the insured value. Therefore DBS will cost more to insure than a V12V and inturn will be more than a V8V for the same age/mileage. IIRC, my brand new 4.7L V8V was less than a £100 differential on a 6 month old V12V for same mileage premium.
All-in all, I dont see the V12V/DBS service costs to be silly compared to the V8.
G
Edited by Guycord on Tuesday 15th March 11:32
Many thanks for the replies, you are sort of implying what I thought in that it might be slightly more work and slightly more expensive in terms of day to day running but not hugely, it's really down to thinking about the depreciation costs when the appropriate time comes around. Understanding the service routine was really my goal so that's a relief that it's not much different.
I'm going to keep a close eye on what the prices do at the end of this summer, no rush because the V8V is AWESOME! But we all like to keep our eyes on what comes next
I'm going to keep a close eye on what the prices do at the end of this summer, no rush because the V8V is AWESOME! But we all like to keep our eyes on what comes next
I swapped a 4.7 V8V last August for a 10 DBS. I would say i get around 13mpg which is mostly A and B road with about 25% Motorway/carriageway. Very little town use. I used to get about 18 in the Vantage. I dont use it every day so it does tend to get used for longer runs. As for Service costs, can only compare by first service but the Vantage was around £640 last year and the DBS cost me £823 last week, same main dealer. Insurance increased by about 15%. Im not looking forward to changing the tyres as I understand these to be DBS specific!
bananarob said:
I swapped a 4.7 V8V last August for a 10 DBS. I would say i get around 13mpg which is mostly A and B road with about 25% Motorway/carriageway. Very little town use. I used to get about 18 in the Vantage. I dont use it every day so it does tend to get used for longer runs. As for Service costs, can only compare by first service but the Vantage was around £640 last year and the DBS cost me £823 last week, same main dealer. Insurance increased by about 15%. Im not looking forward to changing the tyres as I understand these to be DBS specific!
Ouch tyres, didn't really think about that. The V8V ones are about £200 each and living in central London with excessive roadworks between my cars I've had 5 punctures in the last 12 months so that would have to be considered! Not to mention how long off the road to get hold of them...ETA: DBS tyres seem to be about £400 a corner; it could be worse... Ahh yes it is, they are Pirelli's which means they go like lightning too and forever need replacing.
Edited by Shmee on Tuesday 15th March 16:01
DSLiverpool said:
They have had that car for ages, must be the colour or people are scared of buying a £100k+ car from an indie ?
I was / am definately having a DBS Volante either late this year or early next, I want to see what happens when a few scary economic scenarios kick in.
Yep it is my local Subaru Garage "playing" with high end stuff. 16M and GT40 in as well.I was / am definately having a DBS Volante either late this year or early next, I want to see what happens when a few scary economic scenarios kick in.
I'd be interested to see peoples thoughts & experiences on this as it looks like there won't be a V12V roadster
Dear God, what are you boys doing? I am fortunate to own a spanking new V8V . I am truly amazed at the fuel consumption . 23 - 25 is no problem. We go fast we go slow, we play a bit but most of all we just love it. My wife says Bugger the the fuel. Off to Scotland in May I am expecting to be " Feeling very Lucky.
RobGT
RobGT
DSLiverpool said:
They have had that car for ages, must be the colour or people are scared of buying a £100k+ car from an indie ?
I was / am definately having a DBS Volante either late this year or early next, I want to see what happens when a few scary economic scenarios kick in.
Definitely the colour. That interior colour is terrible. If your going to spend £130k, then spend £140k and buy a better spec that will always sell easily!!I was / am definately having a DBS Volante either late this year or early next, I want to see what happens when a few scary economic scenarios kick in.
Shmee said:
presumably something like a mere 10mpg on fuel
Depends entirely where its driven, can get 25ish out of DB9 volante on motorway runs, but then again can drop to around 6 when driving round town. Just have to resist the urge to floor the throttle at every occasion, though it is hard!
george h said:
Depends entirely where its driven, can get 25ish out of DB9 volante on motorway runs, but then again can drop to around 6 when driving round town.
Just have to resist the urge to floor the throttle at every occasion, though it is hard!
As mentioned I get 14mpg in my V8 Vantage 4.7, so really looking for a like-for-like comparison as most of my driving is in city, from the above replies 10 seems about how it would come out.Just have to resist the urge to floor the throttle at every occasion, though it is hard!
Shmee said:
Something like this really doesn't feel too far away:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
If they drop down to nearer to the £100k mark I could see one being a real possibility nearer the end of 2011!
Love the exterior - but the interior - are you kidding me?????? That car has been on the shelf for a while and that's your reason...http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
If they drop down to nearer to the £100k mark I could see one being a real possibility nearer the end of 2011!
If you are a long term buy and hold kind of guy then go for it and be happy, but if you chop and change every 18 months be prepared to get screwed or forced into SOR basis....
JohnG1 said:
Love the exterior - but the interior - are you kidding me?????? That car has been on the shelf for a while and that's your reason...
If you are a long term buy and hold kind of guy then go for it and be happy, but if you chop and change every 18 months be prepared to get screwed or forced into SOR basis....
Sorry I tried to make it clear I wasn't interested until late this year at the very least - the specific car is irrelevant!If you are a long term buy and hold kind of guy then go for it and be happy, but if you chop and change every 18 months be prepared to get screwed or forced into SOR basis....
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